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Free energy?
2006-08-18, 11:17 PM #1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060818/bs_afp/irelandscienceenergy


Does anyone else think this sounds fishy? Where's the energy coming from... Does anyone else know of articles that explain it a bit better?

I mean, Zero Point energy would be cool, but energy coming from literally nowhere... I hope they can find a way to explain it. (either by showing that they were wrong, or rewriting the laws of physics)
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2006-08-18, 11:19 PM #2
Jesus christ not this BS again.
2006-08-18, 11:21 PM #3
Sounds cool, I hate having to charge my cell phone.
2006-08-18, 11:26 PM #4
:psyduck:
2006-08-18, 11:28 PM #5
As much as I'd love to think that free energy could exist somehow, I won't believe it until it's actually proven true. I'm just hoping that this isn't a scam and that they accidentally did something that falls within the laws of physics.
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2006-08-18, 11:29 PM #6
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2006-08-18, 11:35 PM #7
Hey Rodney! Do we have any more triple-Z ZPM-batteries lying about? This thing ran out of juice.
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2006-08-18, 11:36 PM #8
Originally posted by SG-fan:
As much as I'd love to think that free energy could exist somehow, I won't believe it until it's actually proven true. I'm just hoping that this isn't a scam and that they accidentally did something that falls within the laws of physics.

It doesn't follow the laws of physics though. It would cause a LOT of fields to reevaluate themselves.
2006-08-19, 12:06 AM #9
[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]fields[/QUOTE]
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2006-08-19, 12:43 AM #10
http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx

The Company in question...

EDIT: Even better, the patent:Here
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2006-08-19, 7:15 AM #11
Of all the "Free Energy" nutjobs out there, these guys seem to be the most together. That said, it's probably bogus.

I’d be willing to buy them a round of drinks should they be so kind as to share their secrets with me... an in all honesty, what more could an Irish Scientists ever ask for…
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2006-08-19, 9:14 AM #12
I thought perpetual motion machines went out of fashion in the victorian times...
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2006-08-19, 9:46 AM #13
Originally posted by GhostOfYoda:
I thought perpetual motion machines went out of fashion in the victorian times...


So did corsets, but you can still find a fiew freaks around today wearing one...
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2006-08-19, 10:29 AM #14
I guess you know you are an engineer when reading an article like that is both difficult and painful. I can undersand the whole "most science starts as blasphemy" thing, but ouch.
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2006-08-19, 10:58 AM #15
I heard it's supposed to be like that ilovebees thing.
2006-08-19, 11:11 AM #16
[QUOTE=Bounty Hunter 4 hire]I guess you know you are an engineer when reading an article like that is both difficult and painful. I can undersand the whole "most science starts as blasphemy" thing, but ouch.[/QUOTE]

Not any more painful than watching an episode of Stargate SG1...
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2006-08-19, 11:33 AM #17
Zero point energy :psyduck:

(Am I the only one who thought of the gravity gun when I heard that?)
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2006-08-19, 3:00 PM #18
They did this on Mythbusters a while back. They barely got enough energy to power a digital watch. So, in a sense, free energy exists, but it's so minute that it's no where even close to practical.
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2006-08-19, 3:16 PM #19
The physics part of me cringed when I read that, but I really hope that someone takes them up on the challenge and proves them right.
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2006-08-19, 3:18 PM #20
But, avenger, according to every rule of physics even an impractically small amount of free enery is infinity more then should exist. That's the problem.
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2006-08-19, 3:23 PM #21
Originally posted by Avenger:
They did this on Mythbusters a while back. They barely got enough energy to power a digital watch. So, in a sense, free energy exists, but it's so minute that it's no where even close to practical.



They just came out with a pretty small engine that has 2000 horse power, before an engine like that was huge. I'll post the link later, as it will be e-mailed to me again later today, but my point is, if they can get free energy like that... well they can get tons more then.

Edit: I doubt it goes agaisn't the rules of physics, maybe it just can take a little energy to do alot more complex things, so its energy efficient, it just takes soo little energy that you barely notice it, although this at the same time doesn't make sense lol!
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2006-08-19, 3:30 PM #22
What? the issue isn't things operating free of energy, it's "free," or perpetual, energy out of nothing.
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2006-08-19, 3:34 PM #23
Originally posted by Pommy:
What? the issue isn't things operating free of energy, it's "free," or perpetual, energy out of nothing.


I never said different. I'm just merely pointing out that if they can get just a little, I'm sure they will find the method of getting alot more.
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2006-08-19, 3:58 PM #24
Originally posted by Avenger:
They did this on Mythbusters a while back. They barely got enough energy to power a digital watch. So, in a sense, free energy exists, but it's so minute that it's no where even close to practical.

The "free energy" they got was by simple induction of an EMF through wires. You stick two wires together, one highly charged, the B field will cause an EMF (current) in the other wire. In that experiment, the B field was still pretty weak
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2006-08-19, 4:20 PM #25
Originally posted by Avenger:
They did this on Mythbusters a while back. They barely got enough energy to power a digital watch. So, in a sense, free energy exists, but it's so minute that it's no where even close to practical.



It's not free energy!

Magnetic fields ARE energy.
2006-08-19, 4:23 PM #26
Originally posted by SF_GoldG_01:
I never said different. I'm just merely pointing out that if they can get just a little, I'm sure they will find the method of getting alot more.


The edit in your post says differently


And like JG said (which I didn't know but I assumed to be the case), it was just an emf induction .. which is currently how electrical energy is generated anyways (like w/ a water powered generator)

the problem is that you need something to cause the induction (i.e. you need something to MOVE, like water) .. so how do you make something keep moving in circles if there's nothing to power it?
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2006-08-19, 4:34 PM #27
Originally posted by Pommy:
The edit in your post says differently


And like JG said (which I didn't know but I assumed to be the case), it was just an emf induction .. which is currently how electrical energy is generated anyways (like w/ a water powered generator)

the problem is that you need something to cause the induction (i.e. you need something to MOVE, like water) .. so how do you make something keep moving in circles if there's nothing to power it?

Which is often the case of burning stuff to cause mechanical energy, that mechanical energy is used to make electricidad. Ah the Conservation of Energy. They "free energy" they talk about is extracting from zero point. Which, by my understanding you can't do. How can you extract the energy from the ground state of a system?

Oh where is James Bond..
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2006-08-19, 4:44 PM #28
I prefer to think of power as the flow of energy from a state of low entropy to a state of high entropy.

Being able to spontaneously create energy is meaningless if we cannot harness it. Even if we were able to construct a device like the Stargate ZPM, the simple act of harnessing that power would involve pumping untold amounts of low-entropy energy into our own universe. Which is a bad idea. In addition to that, there are theories about how there is a constant amount of energy in the universe and introducing new energy would cause significant problems.
2006-08-19, 7:13 PM #29
Originally posted by Jon`C:
there are theories about how there is a constant amount of energy in the universe


i.e. all of physics?
2006-08-19, 8:50 PM #30
... Zero point energy is real. The force of vocume fluctuations, literally the 'power contained in nothing' has been measured. It was first predicted by the heisenberg uncertainty principle, and later was proven empiracally.

Now, wether it could ever be harnessed - that's another issue.

The company itself is whacked. Vocume fluctuations are the smallest particles known, and they don't interact with magnetic fields at all. They interact only with the weak force, not with the strong, gravity, or electro-magnetic. Further, they claim it can be used to 'power anything from cell phones to cars'. Well, duh. Energy is energy; it can be used for anything if you convert it to the right form.

So, the company is a bunch of morons.

Here. http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
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2006-08-19, 8:58 PM #31
I discovered free energy years ago. It involves sneaking around in a parking lot at night with a rubber hose and a gas can.
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2006-08-19, 9:50 PM #32
Originally posted by morons:
The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created.

BZZT. Try again, *******.
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2006-08-19, 10:25 PM #33
Originally posted by kyle90:
I discovered free energy years ago. It involves sneaking around in a parking lot at night with a rubber hose and a gas can.

Win.
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2006-08-22, 5:54 AM #34
Wasn't there someone here who argued that he had plans of making a machine that produced free energy?
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2006-08-22, 7:17 AM #35
Originally posted by Isuwen:
Vocume fluctuations are the smallest particles known, and they don't interact with magnetic fields at all.


By "vocume fluctuations" do you mean neutrinos?

And, btw, neutrinos can't be smaller than all other known particles: there are a ton of particles (like the electron, for one) that are thought to be single points. Neutrinos count among these, too, but that's no reason to go about calling them the smallest particles known.
2006-08-22, 1:04 PM #36
I have found, through tests of my own, that two magnets, one counter weight, and a custom made wood armature that allowed for a complete 360 degree rotation. Setting the magnet on the armature just off-centered of the stationary magnet and releasing it resulted in the armature magnet spinning ~355 degrees, stopping, and then reversing direction and traveling ~50 degrees in the opposite direction before coming to rest.
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2006-08-22, 1:06 PM #37
Originally posted by CaptBevvil:
Setting the magnet on the armature just off-centered of the stationary magnet and releasting it resulted in the armature magnet spinning ~355 degree, stopping, and then reversing direction and traveling ~50 degrees in the opposite direction before coming to rest.

Wow, who needs cold fusion when we have that.
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2006-08-22, 1:11 PM #38
He never said anything about cold fusion or solving the world's energy problems...

But I guess you figured it was a good opportunity to take a crack at CaptBevvil.
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2006-08-22, 1:17 PM #39
Originally posted by Emon:
Wow, who needs cold fusion when we have that.


It was a simple experiment to test an idea. It served it's purpose. It wasn't meant to be overly sophisticated.

Not defending myself, just explaining in better detail...
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2006-08-22, 3:14 PM #40
Originally posted by CaptBevvil:
My test involved two magnets, one counter weight, and a custom made wood armature that allowed for a complete 360 degree rotation. Setting the magnet on the armature just off-centered of the stationary magnet and releasing it resulted in the armature magnet spinning ~355 degrees, stopping, and then reversing direction and traveling ~50 degrees in the opposite direction before coming to rest.

If I had removed the stationary magnet temporarily and then reintroduced it at just the right time, then the armature magnet never would have stopped and the cycle would have continued. Of course, at this stage, I'm exerting energy both intially and to keep it going.



Perhaps I'm not fully understanding your experiment, but this sounds exactly like how a conventional dc electric motor works (only replacing electric current with a permanent magnet that you can move).
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