Odd. Niether is this one...

Actually, our atmosphere used to be mostly CO2. Then some pesky little organisms evolved that converted it to O2, and the oxygen poisoned all the other little organisms.

The existance of global warming is not in dispute. However, wether or not it's caused by pollution is. There is no doubt that pollution isn't helping, but its quite likely it's a natural cycle. We're probably just speeding it up a bit.

It's still not as warm now as it was 2000 years ago. We've had TWO short 'ice ages' since then, the first dropped europe into the dark ages, and the second is responsible for those famouse new england winters in the 17 and 18 hundreds.

1. NASA recently released several warnings that the melting of the polar caps has been going 15 times as fast as normal in the past two years. They estimate that we have about ten years to reduce CO2 emission before they are gone entirely.

2. Year after year warmth records are shattered. This is happening globally. For example here in the Netherlands, this year's July and September were the two warmest EVER. (Meaning since they started taking notes 300 years ago). August was the wettest August ever.

3. Over the past 30 years, the earth has warmed up 0.6 degrees Celsius. The earth hasn't been this warm in over 12.000 years, and if it continues to warm up like this, we'll reach a temperature that it hasn't been in over a million years.





This kind of reasoning always reminds me of a great Bad Religion lyric:

Watch it die

I was born on planet earth
a rotating ball, where man comes first
it's been around for a long, long time
but now it's time to watch it die

I saw a man on my big blue screen
he ruled the world economy
he said the rich would never concede
but some day soon he'll be put to sleep

I've seen the life of the forest green
and adaptations of the deep blue seas
and who knows who is the fittest
they will all soon be put to rest

On a plunging flight
and we're sitting in the pilot's seat
in the midst of life
people on a dark horizon
praying somebody will save their lives

I was born on planet earth
at a drastic time, full of plastic mirth
and everyday I've seen increasing signs
and you would too, if you'd open your eyes
you had a chance, you did not try
so now it's time to watch it die

- Greg Graffin

We're still coming out of an ice age. Warm is what this planet is supposed to be.

Patently false. Tree-ring evidence shows that the planet was warmer during the rennisance, and warmer still during roman times.

The very ego this species has to think it can change an entire planet. It doesn't even realize that it is part of the planet, and that everything is nature, and everything we do is part of the bio-sphere, and perfectly natural.

Besides, slowing down the next ice age seems like a pretty good idea. We never do good in them. We barely survived the last big one, and the last two little ones we know about caused all sorts of trouble.

The rate with which it's warming up is significantly faster than in any previous interglacial period.



It's what NASA said this week, though.



Of course the planet will survive. I'm just not sure humanity will survive the process of nature's reaction. We are going to see huge climatic changes and disasters.

Nasa is NEVER wrong.


Like how those space shuttles blew up. Yeah. They did that on purpose!

To hell with this "Humanity"
Bunch of lazy bastards if you ask me...

To build on that, with a warmer planet, the agricultural zones around the world will get bigger and there will be an increase in percipitation in a lot of places. A lot of people like to make global warming out to be the end of the world, but it's not really going to be.

Another thing a lot of people don't seem to understand is how the Earth's temperature naturally cycles. There 1 million year cycles of temperature and 500,000 year cycles and 100,000 year cycles and 50,000 year cycles, all the way down the 50 or a hundred years. If you look at data on the Earth's temperature, it's like a big sine or cosine wave and on that wave there is another wave and another and another and another all the way down to those 50 or 100 year cycles.

Antoher thing to remember is that we contirbute a grand total of 3% of all the world's carbon dioxide into the air.

I don't know about that. Seems like too low a figure to me.

It makes sense that a lot of the air polution comes from countries like China and india that are trying to modernize and don't have polution controls even close to those in developed countries.

Well, yeah. China generates most of it's electricity ith coal power plants. And, China is developing faster than any other country right now.

That's a little simplistic, already hot and dry climates will probably only get hotter. Desert will expand and probably take over areas with more mediterranean-like climates.
Also, we Brits get pretty screwed over, something to do with a change in salinity in the northern Atlantic that would be caused by increased melting of the polar ice caps would cause the Gulf Stream to shift to a lower latitude and we'd end up with much much harsher, colder winters. Back to ice-skating on a frozen River Thames!

A river Thames that will be about 15 times as wide due to the flooding we're going to get.

But on the plus side there'll be no more glasgow or Cardiff.

I find that trees are more important than humans. They're also better listeners.

As a matter of fact the USA counts as one of the biggest polluters. That's especially bad because the US refuses to bind themselves to important international environmental treaties. Instead it chooses to make its own small treaties with a couple of other big polluters like Australia and China. These treaties are known to hold no meaning whatsoever, because none of the countries ever lives up to the agreements.

Are you kidding me? I thought people stopped believing in a global warming epidemic around the time they realized rosswell was just a test flying zone? Are you getting all of your data from green peace or something?

Our gas polution does little to the ozone. Very little. In fact, the fumes from natural fires tend to do about the same damage. The only thing we burn that has much waste is coal, but we've managed to make that as clean as possible. I know this from a guy who's job is to regulate these sorts of things from my area. You could argue "But he's from the government" but I know him personally: He thinks the govt's policies aren't strict enough, but SHOULDN'T be as strict as green peace hippies think it should be.

Oh, and don't recycle.

No, I got all of that from a news article about NASA issuing warnings. *shrug*

It's pretty much common knowledge that NASA crisscrosses themselves yearly. I'm not debunking a credible source, it's just that I personally don't like to take NASA's word for it, especially when pretty much everyone is in agreement that our projected estimates of heat over time were poorly based, and that newer means are far more accurate, and obviously so. It fits our image of history far better than the one previously understood.

The problem isn't global warming, it's also global dimming. The whole concept of the energy system of our planet is that the sun comes to the planet Earth in a very low-entropy state and then it radiates off of the planet. The problem is that the radiation part isn't happening as much. So we end up with lots of high-entropy energy (heat) and less low-entropy energy (solar radiation). It isn't even the United States that is to blame for it, funnily enough: it's China.

[QUOTE=Tha Gunslinga]Freedom of speech? What's that?

Obviously this action didn't end well, but maligning the entire movement because of one group that screwed up is foolish.
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Slander is not protected by the First Ammendment. Then again, the demonstrators would probably not be committing slander in this instance.

Loitering also is not protected by the First Ammendment. We may assemble where we please, however the government may regulate the time, place, and manner of any demonstrations within reason. Also, a store is entitled to prevent people from just bumming about on their premises if they don't want them there.

As in, makes the sign of the cross because they realize we're royally ****ed?

I've seen scientific articles that say the ozone layer depletes and replenishes with or without human interference in a natural cycle.

Which is also why Kyoto was worthless. It wouldn't have put any restrictions on those countries, and it would have caused industries in developed countries to outsource their pollution-producing enterprises to developing countries, essentially turning them into dumping grounds.

Oh, I know. Those were jsut some "positive" impacts that no one every talks about.



Of the dozens of international treates that have been written, only one has ever been successful, and thatwas the treaty to ban the use of CFCs. All other treaties, while great in theory, never get ratified. There is too big a divide between developing and developed nations. The developed nations tell the developing nations, the developing nations either say no because it will hamper the development or they ask for money to comply with the treaty and the deloped nations say no. Until that impass is bridged, international environmental treaties are doomed to failure far more often than not.

Oh and by the way- tree huggers=environmentalists, which the people in the article clearly are not, judging by their stated motivations. They are, rather, animal-rights extremists. "Hippy" is an acceptable epithet for both groups (as well as marijuana users), but "tree hugger" is specific to environmentalists and dendrophiliacs.