Never.

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]And thats why you would use a normal controller instead of the motion stuff. :P[/QUOTE]

*shrug* Forgot about that stuff. But my point about the games still stands. I don't doubt for a second that it WON'T be a hugely fun console, but I don't want one.

Maybe Christmas if my mom can get ahold of one...if she can't I'm with dud. 2nd wave ftw.

2nd wave Wii's will be the same as first wave Wii's. Nintendo hardware never has any issues. (With the exception of handhelds...sometimes.)

You can say that all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's a possibility.

A very small one. The Wii was ready way before it had to be ready. They are producing more units then they thought they would. It seems every generation Nintendo has consoles that are in tip-top condition and it takes everyone else 2 or 3 tries to get it right.

First generation gamecubes had overheating problems, because of crappy fans.

You just grasp why consoles are still around.

Computers aren't for everyone. Infact, most people would rather not deal with a PC. Plug and play is way easier on everyone involved.

It is impossible to by the wrong wii, you can't buy the wrong wii game. You can't buy a wii game that won't run because of system requirements, and your wii doesn't become outdated on it's own platform.

Average cost of a wii for 5 years $250.

Average cost of the PC I build or buy every 4-6 years

$1000+

I too, am able to pull numbers out of my ***. But I have the upperhand, because my *** is normal sized.

I'm one of the people he mentioned that prefer the plug and play of a console over a PC. Granted, I still plan to maintain a midrange PC, but I'm not using it for gaming anymore.

The simplicity of putting in a game disc and immediately being able to play is just... better for me.

No no no, I'm not arguing against consoles as a gaming system: I'm arguing against them as a product. Consoles are beginning to be unprofitable markets. The PC market will have to become more suited to the console market because consoles are a dying market. I'm not disputing which is BETTER. I'm disputing which is profitable.

The only generalization I can make is that console games tend to get rushed more than PC games do because the life span of graphics cards is longer. Yes, if you want to play the most recent games, you've got to keep upgrading: To play older games? DOS emulation is the only real hassel. A game's lifespan is a LOT longer, and thus a lot more time can be invested into a game. It does NOT need to be made in a short amount of time to fit the current curve of graphics: It's ideal, but not necissary.

Personally, PCs are for me. I don't do a whole lot of gaming anymore though.

They are???

PC games get rushed more then console games. But this is becuase if theres a bug they can just release a patch.

Consoles aren't a dying market, nor are they unprofitable.

That's why there's a keynotes speaker from EA coming to talk about how designing games for consoles has become less profitable in the long run for the general market? Sure, EA doesn't have a problem, but smaller companies do. The real profitable smaller companies all work on the PC platform as it costs less to get into it, and time is far less an issue.

But yeah, maybe he's just full of ****.

He does work for EA.

I've got my Wii on Preorder at Gamestop. Since i had to work, and wasn't going to skip work just for that, my fiancee decided to go to GS for me and preorder one.

She preordered at that time:

The Wii Console
Another Wii-Mote
Another Nunchuck
2 Classic Controllers
Need For Speed Carbon
Call of Duty 3

I had Zelda preodered at a different store, but I moved it to this store, and while I was there I also swapped out Need for Speed Carbon for a preoder of Super MonkeyBall: Banana Blitz

So now We have:
The Wii Console
Another Wii-Mote
Another Nunchuck
2 Classic Controllers
The Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess
Super MonkeyBall: Banana Blitz
Call of Duty 3

Preordered and all paid in full.


...Novemeber 19 cannot get here fast enough.

I think I might just wait a week, so I'll have another $200 to spend on wii.