Those were mainly with other species though. Like the Vulcans playing over-protective daddy and the human children fighting it. I never really saw any "ALL TOWELHEADS MUST DIE" OR "MAKE ME A SAMMICH, *****!" (i.e. no sexism, racism, etc amongst humans) in Enterprise.

I was never a ST fan, but a couple of the movies are pretty good, and in like 2002 or something I randomly saw an episode of Voyager and kind of liked it. I ended up watching most of the series in re-runs. Never got into the other series' though.

the federation does have a "form" of currancy that's widely accepted as credits, they have to have SOMETHING if they want to trade with other species like the ferangi, you can only get so far by bartering, eventually you'll need cold hard cash.

I'm not entirly sure how it works within the federation, but it seems that people own businesses simply so they have something to do and don't get bored, I seem to recall that alot of things that are patented and given a special designation cannot be replicated from the general database and thus you have to "buy" it from a store with your credits.

I think that all federation citizens get a kind of allowance of credits each week or day or month as if they were working, but they get it regardless so that they can buy things... but then if everyone got something for nothing their economy would suck hardcore...

I don't really understand how a moneyless society could work... thats one thing about star trek i really don't get.

Who here wouldnt use a holodeck as the worlds best knocking shop?.

They really don't talk much about the Federation monetary system, but they have to have credits of some sort.

Star Trek just does a great job of looking at serious issues in our society. ST puts a little twist on the issues so that things aren't blatant, but the resolutions are insightful and fair. In one way or another ST has looked at gay rights (TNG), the idiocy of bad race relations (TOS)(DS9), euthanasia (Voy), limits on how far we should go to "protect" ourselves (DS9), and like others have mentioned in DS9: war, terrorism, religion, etc.

Sure there are some dumb episodes, but the good ones are great. I can't think of many other shows on TV that can objectively discuss current issues, and can come up with answers that are the best for everyone.

From what I understood, the combination of their WW3 and the intervention of the Vulcans shortly after was an easy way to unite humanity together. They sober up from WW3 -- the lowest of the lows -- and then are given hope that they're not the only ones in the universe. It's just a good thing they got Vulcans and not the Klingons

As for economy, it's generally understood that they have enough technology AND good will to provide for the basics. Picard gives a general synopsis of it in the movie First Contact -- a drive for improvement over material gain/wealth. Most of this stuff, however, is driven for story, not necessarily "realism" per se...

I found the movies to be excellent. Everyone hates the movies, but I loved them.

I also thought mash was better than sex.

the only star trek i didnt like was the old original.

and DS9 was rather wank also.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

I don't even understand how there could be money or war if you have replicators.

No way, that's one of the episodes I most disliked. :p



What?

This has been posted before, but it is still awesome:

Which series/movie was that at the end of the video, where the ship is crashing into the hanger bay?

that was Star Trek Nemesis, near the end when both the Enterprise E and the Romulan dudes ship are both pretty much crippled, Geordi is able to give the engines a bit of power and picard rams the romulan ship.

But that video showed alot of really cool battle scenes and 90% was from the Dominion war which occured in the later part of DS9's run (I think like season 4-7) alot of cool and epic battles I noticed, the klingon attack on DS9 during the Klingon-Cardassian war, the klingons disolved their peace treaty with the federation because they would not support their war and took over DS9 because it's close to cardassian space.

Then there was the Dominion attack on the station and later on the federations re-taking of the station.

but the biggest battles were the Battle of Cardassia Prime which pretty much ended the war at a massive cost to the Cardassians.

So there are some pretty big and cool battles, and it shows how tough and resiliant federation engineering is, a single defiant class ship took on a massive battle cruiser 20x it's size, it was destroyed in the end with almost all hands lost, but they did massive damage to the ship and crippled it beyond repair.



I think an unoffical explanaition is that certain items are not put into the general database of replicatable goods, for example, a new dress or something else that would be a new product would simply not be added to the database and that would force you to go out and "buy" one, nothing stopping you form scanning said item when you got home and then storing it's pattern in your own database for later replication tho.

as well, more homes then you think don't have replicators in them because people often prefer to cook their own meals rather then replicate them because they prefer the taste of "real" food as replicators "taste" diffrent. but meh.

Yeah, I recognized most of it. I've just never seen Nemesis, because I heard what happens to Data . I prefer to close my eyes, cover my ears and yell "lalalalalalala".

He stores his memory in another android, and since he's machine and not human, he's not really 'dead' just like you would copy a picture from one computer to the other. However, 'b4' isn't exactly all that smart... They did it because the actor was getting way too old to play the part.

Not Lore, B4

Sorry, I get them all mixed up.

Too old? He can't be older than the other cast members. Plus, I thought they had decided to make Nemesis the last movie?

Still, that sounds... acceptable. No one ever told me that part of it. I might actually rent it today. Thank you.

I don't really like the original it's so 60s.

DS9, however is my favourite of the star treks. It actually had decent characters (and actually a large number of regular cast numbers so you dont just see the same 7 people continually.) It also had the best ongoing stories of them all.

And although most people will probably disagree, I really liked enterprise. It's my 2nd favourite after DS9.

Apparently I'm not white.

Emo Trek is a silly soap with space costumes. The dialogue is flooded with technological terms just to make it sound all scifi-ish. It's the dorkiest thing ever. And somehow every episode I see they always manage to end up making marshmallows over a campfire somewhere in a place like the grand canyon, singing 'Row, row, row your boat'. Like wtf

that was ONE film, the cheesy bits are generally rare.

Except they are more frequent in the original series.

DS9 didn't necessarily start out that well, but after a few seasons it got really good. The cast was huge so there was always lots going on. The whole show took on the darker feel of the TNG movies. The show could have been confusing if you missed a few episodes, but if you watch them through then the story is great.

which one did kirk die in? i'll rent that one.

No it's not much older than the other cast members but it's hard to age an android which it's been said numerous times that androids don't age.

TOS is more of a nostalgia thing. I think it would be hard for most younger people to appreciate. I was born in '70 and as a young child saw the show every weekend in syndication on a local non-network station. Having grown up watching many of the older shows running on weekly or daily syndication the style of acting and effects didn't (and don't now) bother me.

I first saw part of an episode of TNG sometime in the '80s while the first season was running. I remember it had some "pig guards" in it. I didn't think much of what I saw at the time. Later around '92 probably I started watching it on a regular basis. The series definitely improved as time went on. Some of the early ones are still a bit hard to watch. Overall, I like the effects and there were some really good stories throughout the run.

I had a hard time getting into DS9 at first and to this day there are plenty of episodes I've never seen. The series really picked up and become quite epic near the end. I appreciate the whole series much more now.

I've probably seen all or most of Voyager. I generally hold the series in high regard.

I watched the first few episodes of Enterprise when it originally aired but I lost interest. I have since seen the entire series by borrowing the DVDs from a friend. I consider Enterprise to be the best overall series and I don't think you have to be a Star Trek fan to like it. In fact, it might help if you're not.

I generally like all the movies but I believe, like many, that the even numbered movies tend to be better. I remember seeing the first movie in the theater and thinking "whoa, those are Klingons?"

The one think I don't like about Star Trek is the outrageous price of the DVDs. Couple that with the horrendous treatment TOS and TNG get on G4 it is a little hard to enjoy watching them right now. I figure I may bid on DVDs on eBay someday, when I have money to burn.

edit - And I imagine not too many here have memories of watching the cartoon on broadcast TV. I vaguely remember seeing some episodes. I believe it ran super early so I didn't see many. Reminds me of Starblazers. I had to be playing hookey to catch that one.

Screw G4. Don't you get Spike? They have DS9, TNG, and now Voyager on every weekday. It's awesome.

Yeah, I catch the occasional episode on that station. I have problems with that channel too but mainly because I have watched it morph away from a station that I preferred to what it has become. It's still far better than G4, though.

Star Trek is actully really entertaining and I've watched it for years and perhaps is best thing thats actully shown on Sky One. Seen most of the series and the films and honestly its always a good watch. In fact its often the only thing thats worth watching on TV at home (crappy cable for you) in the afternoon.

Its worth the killing of time - but its not as funny as Red Dwarf!

The other cast members are organic species though, he's supposed to be a robot (or android, or whatever they call them), thus he shouldn't age.

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They could easily have Data say that he has changed his appearance to keep up with others of his "generation."

True, these days it'd be pretty easy to make him look young with CGI (like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in X3), but I think it'd get progressively harder for Brent Spiner to act in the same youthful way that he did in the 90s. Sure, they could come up with a reason to "age" the android, but it wouldn't be the same character anymore.

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The local video store didn't have Nemesis (or any ST movies for that matter), so I decided to order all 4 TNG movies. Still, I put off watching Nemesis, until tonight.

The movie just ended, and it was pretty damned spectacular. It might actually be my favorite Star Trek movie. Two ships going one on one in an all out battle. It was ****ing sweet. A friend of mine always complains about Star Trek ship battles, because there isn't enough boarding action, and never any ramming. I'll have to get him to watch this.

The main characters all had their time to shine, too. I was especially happy to see Riker finally doing some hand to hand fighting, because he was always away from that kind of action in the other movies.

Also, Admiral Janeway. Great to have some Voyager closer!

But, I still almost cried after Data died.

Blue skies Smiling at me... Nothing but blue skies do I see...

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