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Noah's Ark
2007-03-10, 12:46 PM #1
Did it happen?
>>untie shoes
2007-03-10, 12:46 PM #2
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2007-03-10, 12:47 PM #3
Maybe there was some guy named Noah who built an ark, but chances are the world wasn't flooded and it wasn't his duty to save the animals. It's probably just another story that was interpreted the wrong way.
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2007-03-10, 12:47 PM #4
That's not very nice now is it precious?
>>untie shoes
2007-03-10, 12:50 PM #5
Personally, I think, that this story had grew out of one of the "premonition" stories.

Noah had a gutteral feeling about the impending local flood (maybe he had weaker stomach, or just was a bit more paranoid), so he built a raft or two and saved his family and animals - and then it was "promoted", when some smart priest decided to use this to promote God`s power.
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2007-03-10, 12:51 PM #6
Maybe there has been such a flood, but the story about gathering animals into an ark... mm'hmm.

I once heard that quite many cultures have some kind of a story about an ancient flood. Quite interesting, but I guess a lot of people have had similar stories about many other things. Whatever.
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2007-03-10, 12:55 PM #7
No it didn't happen. Everyone is dead right now and none of the animals were saved from the flood.
2007-03-10, 12:58 PM #8
There's got to be SOME truth to the tale, or else we wouldn't see the story in 100s of places around the world. However, it's obviously far fetched.

I remember in grade school, we were writing and reading "tall tales." How Paul Bunyan was probably a real guy, but not 25 feet tall, etc. I raised my hand and said "Kid of like Noah's Ark?" And the teacher said "No, that is a miracle, and in the bible. We're talking about tall tales."
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2007-03-10, 1:00 PM #9
It can't have happened because:

a) the ark could not possibly fit 2 of every animal (the size is described quite clearly in the bible, and it's nowhere near big enough)

b) there isn't enough water in the world to flood the entire planet.

HOWEVER, there was probably a regional flood and some guy just happened to be taking his cows across the river in a boat or something when it happened and then when it was over he was all like "yeah, God totally told me this was gonna happen, but I'm a prick so I didn't warn anyone else" just to seem cool, and some crackpot took him seriously and told some other guy, and the other dude just happened to be writing a book called "Genesis" and he included the story because he thought it was neat.
Stuff
2007-03-10, 1:04 PM #10
Braaaaains!

Who knows, if zombies decompose while walking?



Seriously though, I`m pretty damn sure, that all the bible events, which deal with mortals, happened in one way or another.
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2007-03-10, 1:13 PM #11
The story was probably lifted and adapted from trade with Sumerians/Babylonians. It's a common story in cultures in that area, hell it can be found around the world.
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2007-03-10, 1:18 PM #12
Well... Same stories, different people....

Didn`t Christians grabbed most of holidays straight outta the Jupiter`s temple?

Christmas, for example (Which is Winter Solstice). And wasn`t Jesus born somewhen in September?
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2007-03-10, 1:18 PM #13
Yes it happened, though I find it hard to say that it went exactly word for word how it is in the Bible.

Although I still believe it would have still been much much grander than a guy saving his goats with a raft. :P

Also, the Bible says that the world was flooded and everybody died. But according to the Bible, people were only living in Mesopotamia at the time. I don't have any problem believing that that entire area might be flooded and wiped out. After all, don't the Tigris and Euphrates flood randomly anyway? A massive flooding coupled with heavy rains could have reasonably wiped most of humanity from the Earth.

So I'm voting for yes; it happened exactly, since it's probably the closest.
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2007-03-10, 1:22 PM #14
Uh. As far as I remember, at the time people were living in Mesopotamia, they were also living all over Africa and Asia.

According to some sources, the Valley of Nile is the origin of human.

However, a huge flood, that wiped big part of Mesopotamian culture... THat DOES sounds plausible, and I think there were such.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 1:31 PM #15
It didn't happen.

How did noah:

Sail the entire world and collect 2 of each animal?

Store enough food to feed all the animals for 40 days?

If he only collected 2 of each kind, what did the carnivorous animals eat?

if the flood was on the scale it claims, was the water seawater or freshwater? Either way, noah would have to have space for either freshwater or saltwater animals on the boat.

There are millions of types of animals there's no way he could have made a boat large enough to store them all.



There's so many other issues with the story you cannot consider it ever happened. Like the rest of the bible it's a fairy tale.


edit: found an interesting read on the subject: http://www.atheists.org/evolution/morrisdebate.html
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2007-03-10, 1:33 PM #16
Originally posted by Alice Shade:
Uh. As far as I remember, at the time people were living in Mesopotamia, they were also living all over Africa and Asia.

According to some sources, the Valley of Nile is the origin of human.

However, a huge flood, that wiped big part of Mesopotamian culture... THat DOES sounds plausible, and I think there were such.


But at that point in the Bible humans were still living in only Mesopotamia. Only after Noah gets back off the ark and humanity rebuilds does it start talking about Egypt and such.
This is all assuming that the Biblical description of the birthplace of man is accurate anyway.
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2007-03-10, 1:44 PM #17
Well, then, "Mesopotamian culture", no? I don`t think I`ve saw similar tales of flood among Roman or Greek mythos.
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2007-03-10, 2:09 PM #18
Originally posted by Alice Shade:
Christmas, for example (Which is Winter Solstice). And wasn`t Jesus born somewhen in September?


Probably in the Spring, because that's when shepherds would be out.
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2007-03-10, 2:13 PM #19
Originally posted by stat:
The story was probably lifted and adapted from trade with Sumerians/Babylonians. It's a common story in cultures in that area, hell it can be found around the world.

Yeah, it's mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is far older than the bible.

Chances are, there was a flood (though regional), and maybe a guy named noah built a boat and loaded it with his animals (not two of every animal). That's all.
2007-03-10, 2:19 PM #20
Originally posted by kyle90:
It can't have happened because:

a) the ark could not possibly fit 2 of every animal (the size is described quite clearly in the bible, and it's nowhere near big enough)

b) there isn't enough water in the world to flood the entire planet.

HOWEVER, there was probably a regional flood and some guy just happened to be taking his cows across the river in a boat or something when it happened and then when it was over he was all like "yeah, God totally told me this was gonna happen, but I'm a prick so I didn't warn anyone else" just to seem cool, and some crackpot took him seriously and told some other guy, and the other dude just happened to be writing a book called "Genesis" and he included the story because he thought it was neat.


Exactly. There are reports in several different regions in which in major religions, there was a great flood that killed lots of people
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We call this the Great Deluge. It's just like how different cultures all talk about Dragons, BUT THERE ARE NONE LOL!
2007-03-10, 2:21 PM #21
There is lots of evidence of a colossal flood in the black sea at the end of the last ice age. A damn of ice blocked it off from the Mediterranean. When it broke, the black see expanded greatly. Villages have been found underwater as far as sixty miles from the current shore. This happened in the correct area of the world to explain the Babylonian and biblical myths.

Also, floods weren't exactly rare in the area. This is a way of early Israelites to tell the next generation "Don't worry so much about floods, they won't destroy the whole Earth (God promised)"

Alternatively, the universality of flood myths can be attributed to dreaming with a full bladder.
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2007-03-10, 2:22 PM #22
It could have been something along the lines of hurricane katrina...
>>untie shoes
2007-03-10, 2:30 PM #23
Jesus's Birth was most likely not on December 25th.

The Gospels of Josephus and Luke point towards the fact that Jesus was born sometime of Herold the Great's reign, and during which the Census of Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was executed, stating that all citizens will return to their native land for a census.

So, saying this, Herod's rule ends at ~4 BC. So, I would say around November.
2007-03-10, 2:32 PM #24
Christmas was probably put on December 25th as a way to say "if you're good all year you get presents!" to kids.
>>untie shoes
2007-03-10, 2:36 PM #25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH5zfTVt9X4

This is a pretty funny talk about Noah's Ark. Major language warning.
>>untie shoes
2007-03-10, 2:55 PM #26
Something about squirrels and islands.
2007-03-10, 2:59 PM #27
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
Something about squirrels and islands.


Oh god no.
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2007-03-10, 3:10 PM #28
Hey wait we haven't had that thread yet! Somebody make a new poll thread "how did squirrels get onto islands?"
Stuff
2007-03-10, 3:37 PM #29
Originally posted by Antony:
Christmas was probably put on December 25th as a way to say "if you're good all year you get presents!" to kids.


Christmas was an attempt by the early church and leaders to unify the old Pagans and with new Christians. The Church ended up making Winter Solstice and other festivals previously celebrated by pagans to be evil.
2007-03-10, 4:02 PM #30
Quote:
a) the ark could not possibly fit 2 of every animal (the size is described quite clearly in the bible, and it's nowhere near big enough)


Let's call it 'early quantum state phenomenon'.
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2007-03-10, 4:40 PM #31
Animal superposition, eh? Nobody could do that...

OH CRAP! NOBODY BUT GOD

Welp, I'm a believer now.
Stuff
2007-03-10, 4:49 PM #32
Yea. God must be a kick-*** architect, too...

After all, according to bible, Ark had one window:
Originally posted by Genesis:
6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.


Cubit ~= 18 inches. So, if 18x18 window could provide air for all the animals, I definitely want a house designed by God, now.
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2007-03-10, 5:08 PM #33
I know of some pretty hardcore Ark specialists that would tell you it happened just like the Bible said.

As far as I'm concerned, I'll take the Bible literally. If I'm wrong I'll find out when I'm dead.

For some reason, some men have devoted their lives to the study of the Ark. I daresay they may know more about it than I do.
2007-03-10, 5:21 PM #34
Uh. Axis, taking Bible literally, is... Uh. Well, not advocated.

It`s actually illegal to sell your daughter in slavery, put men to death for being effeminate or to have several wives.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 5:37 PM #35
[edit] What I said was wrong. Nevermind that. I was just a bit frustrated with what seems like a general dislike for Christian views on massassi.

Alice Shade, I don't believe it is right to sell my daughter into slavery, put men to death for being effeminate, or having several wives. Thats not what the Bible teaches me to do.
2007-03-10, 5:41 PM #36
Personally me? Yes.

Considering my lifestyle choices, Christians harass me more then a little bit.
And, obviously, I tend to view those, who`d claim me to be "shameless harlot", with disdain.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 5:45 PM #37
Just... yeah. Um. There is so much variation within 'Christianity' and people are messed up. Know that I mean nothing bad, and I hold 'love your neighbor as yourself (and enemy)' with very high regard.
Sorry if Christians have harassed you in the past. It honestly doesn't surprise me. Just, know that I'm not an idiot Christian that will try to bash you with the Bible. I'm more interested in trying to show love to everyone, even though I believe things that are crazy for those that don't agree. ;)
2007-03-10, 5:50 PM #38
Heh. I have no beef with just about about any christian, you know.

It`s just sad experience, that most of Xians are very... Rude, to keep from stronger words.

As long as you respect my space, more power to you and Jesus, though.
I don`t suffer from the lack of sanity.
It`s others, who have it in excess.
2007-03-10, 5:59 PM #39
As a bunch of people have said, there was probably some sort of flood / real life even that inspired the bible story.

And yeah, the flood story is a popular one. Epic of Gilglamesh!
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2007-03-10, 6:13 PM #40
Some dude probably built a big old barge to save his farm animals or something similar. As a story like that was passed down verbally, it got changed, a lot. That goes for the entire Bible, in my opinion.
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