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Hey! Let's protest the British sailing in their own waters!

I think Iran wants to go to war.

Iran is under the mistaken impression that the upcoming war isn't going to be a bloodbath.

Every time they parade the British soldiers around the hammer will fall a little harder. I'd like to say it's ballsy but I'm pretty sure it's just stupidity.

Hmm.

I think they think that we would fight them the same way we fought Iraq.

No, there would be more death. Much more.

However, the discrepancy between official statements and those of the two officers reportedly on the tape is interesting, and makes it look like something is going on beyond the scope of our knowledge.

I cant wait to bally forth over to the middle east and give the Shia a taste of our British spunk.


on a serious note.

War would be stupid.

Iran is hot headed, angry, and childish.

Britain is just plain o' arrogant

I dont wanna see more war cos of this.

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Because, like, I'm sure those British sailors on the tape aren't being forced to say what they're saying even if its a total lie. Not at all. I mean, Iran kidnapping people and then forcing them to make false statements on Iranian TV? Unheard of! Oh, wait...

what!!! the honorable Iranian government would never force captives to make false confessions. NEVER!!!

seriously i think Iran is betting that nothing is going to be done, just endless UN resolutions and timid at best sanctions.

This just adds more ammo to my argument. I will constantly say that the Iranians are just plain bat**** insane, and then I'll have some person go "NOO!! ITS NOT THEIR FAULT!! ITS GEORGE BUSH!!!". Seriously, there is no explanation behind it. The Iranians are just stupid. Plain and simple. Flame me from my broad generalizations, but from every news article since Ahmadinejad came to power, I think I'm right. From Holocaust denial, to failure to stop nuclear programs, to their extremist anti-Israeli stuff, now to this. Just plain stupidity.

We need to start mass bombing cities. I'm sorry, but the only way to end war is to show an extreme example of power and death. Religious extremists and self-rightous tyrannys will suddenly drop their guns and kneel at the sight of a blinding white light. It's gross, it's horrifying, and it's no worse than a blood bathed war. I disagree with war, but because it's necessary, I can't use things like compassion in the event of war. There needs to be an end, not a start to this Iran (And then Saudi) situation.

Get some of those B-29 running again. They'll show 'em. I would dearly love to see 500 B-29's flying over head. Too bad they last about five second against SAM sites. :p

But yeah, I'm with Kirby. They can take care of their own government. It's clear they don't want our help. Lets just make it clear that they better get it right. It'd be a thousand times worse than anything we've seen so far in the Iraq war, but the Middle East has been given ample chance to behave.

That, my friend, is why we still have the B-52's! Not only do they carry a much larger payload then the B-29, but have much greater survivability against SAM's. During the first Gulf War, we would drop leaflets on areas 1 day in advance telling the Iraqi's that we were going to have B-52's bomb them the next day. And of course we always followed through. Interviewing Iraqi soilders after the war, we found out they were absolutely terrified of the B-52's. That, and they can carry large amounts of nuclear weapons. We could turn all of Iran into nothing but a glass sea!

No, war against Iran would be very very smart and it's the war the United States and Britain should have fought instead of invading Iraq like a bunch of stupids.

How about we simply leave the Middle East and Iran won't have the opportunity to pull stunts like this.

Yes, and if we all hold hands, smoke pot and play bongos the bad men will go away.

Allow me to help you understand the situation a bit better:

The Iranian government is run by radical islamists who have strong nuclear ambitions. The Achmadinenotevengoingtotrytospellthisjad has publicly stated that their strong nuclear ambitions are tied with their objective of eradicating Israel.

Sociopolitically, modern Iranian beliefs are strongly influenced by adolf hitler and naziism. Tie in the desire to eradicate Israel.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard (also known as the people who kidnapped these British soldiers from international waters) are a rogue military force. The government has no control over them which is why this situation happened in the first place and also the interference in Iraq. Tie in the Iranian government's nuclear ambitions and you have an uncontrollable ululating band of thugs with nukes.

The Iranian military is specifically trained to repel invasion, particularly against American tactics. They are highly trained in urban and guerrilla warfare.

And finally, without American intervention, the Iranian situation would have already led to nuclear war because Israel has an itchy trigger finger. Probably comes from being run by a bunch of hypermilitant children who found their dad's gun v:)v

I have to agree with that.

Not that another desert war would be any more interesting than the one already in progress.

Of course, I'm sure there are a lot of good Iranians who will suffer because of a war they're bound to lose, but hey, civilian losses in a war is so

I never said we should do those things. I said we would stop getting tangled up in these messes with Iran if we left.

no we wouldn't, it would just mean dealing with an even bigger and more insane Iran later.

Oh, and just to clarify, the Iranians are trained to repel American occupation forces. Which is funny because the Iranian involvement in Iraq has helped deplete American assets to the point where the only available option is raining death from the sky and they have no defense against that.

No one really likes Iran's leader though, not even his own people. Especially the youth. A good old-fashioned assassination would go a long way here.

Guys, I do know what's going to happen, and what would have happened if things were different, because what few factors there are in a situation like this are understood completely by me.

Do you want to know?

He is opposed because he is not extreme enough. I'm not joking. The Iranians have no problem with the whole murder the jews thing or nuke amerikkka but if you try to let women watch soccer... hoo boy, watch out.

An assassination would not help in this situation at all. And don't forget that the supreme leader of Iran is still the ayatollah.

Maybe Iran is right.

You know (or actually you dont, i havn't been here long enough to make it clear yet) i am usually one of the those people who says that more war, and bigger bombs, and more extreme actions are just going to lead to even greater amounts of the same from the other end later, aimed back at us as soon as they get the chance. But we do have enough nukes, it would work, and the world will be alot better off when we finally get rid of Iran.

I vote Glass Dessert 2007. It would be the shortest war ever and have a really cool name too. And the inevitable bad results that would come afterwards when everybody else in the world gets pissed off about it would be alot better than always hearing about the **** they pull.

Besides, they may not be strong enough now to cause any MAJOR problems other than stirring up peoples ****, but what happens when they finally figure out them nuclear bombs? Or what happens if some unforseeable event in the future changes there position in the world and all of a suuden THERE the ones who are holding the better weapons in some other way? Theres no telling what the future holds and i for one would be scared to think of a world where they had the power to actually begin taking this **** to other parts of the world, instead of just in there own little corner.

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Damn straight. Give 'em a Vice President Daniels-style warning shot.

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Iran does need to put in its place but the use of nukes would be stepping over the line and would alienate both the US and those that supported their actions from the whole of the arab world and just lead to more deep rooted hatred of the western nations.

A clean strategic recovery of the navy personal from under Iran's noises would be far more of a message of superiority to the government of Iran to not to **** with us. Although it would no doubt piss off the general populous of Iran that has been calling for the trial (and death) of these sailors, it would have a much bigger impact on future Iranian operations within that area knowing that we (UK and its allies) will take whatever measures are necessary to get their people back.

However, I currently see this situation being resolved behind closed doors with the UK not willing to discuss what went on, holding a dignified silence and Iran who will no doubt claim that they were right all along and boast till they are red in the face.

I don't want an all out war, but we could get the Greek government to send in a Spartan commando force to rescue those sailors as a last resort :hist101:.

Yes, send in the Evzones!

If you knew what kind of fighters they are, you would not laff at the silly apparrel.

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You sir, appear to be living in your own Private Idaho.

Hey, everyone has their hobbies. Mine just happen to relate to large amounts of violence and destruction.

My hobbies relate to large amounts of violence and destruction too.

Iran sucks.

So just curious, I figured someone like Jon might know this. If someone launched a nuclear ICBM at the US, what are the chances we could intercept it before it could do any harm?

And what are the odds of finding a hydrogen bomb someone was trying to sneak into the US by other means?


Where I'm going with this is I think we need to really step up our efforts on nuclear defense, because sooner or later nukes will be available to a wider audience, meaning the crazies will get their hands on some. It's just a matter of when.

Why would we want to stop it? I say put an end to this coast to coast shopping mall of superficial, happy consumers. Bring it on. Seriously.

So rather than to try to reform our society, you'd rather see it destroyed? You're the "crazies" I was talking about in my last post.

Eh, I duno. The b52 uses jet engines. Nothing beats waking up to 2000 Wright R-3350-23 engines flying over your house. Maybe if we could get some Thunderbolts running again too. That'd boost my morale.