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Church filing lawsuit.
2007-06-10, 10:29 PM #1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6736809.stm
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2007-06-10, 10:32 PM #2
Quote:
"There's a war going on - not just in Iraq, but right here on our doorstep."



oh s************************************t!
2007-06-10, 10:47 PM #3
Cinematic gun fights in a CHURCH?! Who would ever think of such a thing and have it in thousands of movies and tv shows? :rant:

Just kidding.

I bet the next one of these stupid cases will involve someone suing someone for having a huge battle take place on Earth.
"Earth is already violent, we cant make it a peaceful place if there are graphic video games which teach our children to slay alien's with high powered guns in the defense of humanity, especially in a fictional setting."
My blawgh.
2007-06-10, 11:53 PM #4
Damn you Brits are nuts.
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2007-06-11, 12:06 AM #5
"The color blue is featured in the top selling video game 'xyz.' As you know, the color blue is also in the interior or our 'abc' building. We simply cannot have people thinking that 'abc' is associated with 'xyz' in any way and we demand that the color blue be taken out of the violent natured video game."

... It's a ******* video game, get over it.
2007-06-11, 1:13 AM #6
Wait...

Aren't Catholics supposed to be the fanatical ones?
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2007-06-11, 2:30 AM #7
Churches are suing now?
I guess god's work just doesn't cut it anymore
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2007-06-11, 6:37 AM #8
Originally posted by FastGamerr:
Damn you Brits are nuts.


You just wait. Finland's day will come. :(
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2007-06-11, 6:39 AM #9
Finlands day has come...


Lordi.....
2007-06-11, 6:43 AM #10
Originally posted by Vegiemaster:
You just wait. Finland's day will come. :(


I've said "Damn you/us Finns are nuts." in the past, so join the FAILTRAIN.

WOO-WOOOOOOOOOOO!
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2007-06-11, 6:50 AM #11
OH LOOK....

BANGERS AND MASH BOYS ARE AT IT AGAIN.
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2007-06-11, 7:01 AM #12
that caps makes up for your one eyed trouser snake size.
2007-06-11, 8:23 AM #13
JOB WELL DONE.

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2007-06-11, 8:30 AM #14
Bloody Mancs...
2007-06-11, 10:43 AM #15
Originally posted by Commander 598:
Wait...

Aren't Catholics supposed to be the fanatical ones?


That would be Mormons. You know.. Polygamous marriages and all.

Though, Only the fanatical ones engage in Polygamous relationships from what I understand.




(I Typed "Morons" twice while trying to post this :D)
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2007-06-11, 10:46 AM #16
Church of England is very similar to the Catholic Church. It basically started when the King was mad at the pope, I think.

And Mormons are probably the least fanatical of Christian denominations, seriously.
2007-06-11, 10:48 AM #17
Originally posted by FastGamerr:
I've said "Damn you/us Finns are nuts." in the past, so join the FAILTRAIN.

WOO-WOOOOOOOOOOO!

FTL :(
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2007-06-11, 10:51 AM #18
BSG: "The game is about defending our world from alien invasion. What about US soldiers firing into mosques? Does that offend you?"
Priest: "They can take that fight up themselves-"
BSG: "So it's only offensive if you're a Muslim? What you're saying is that only a select group of people would find a videogame set in a church to be offensive? 'Liberty for all,' Mr. Priest, not just you."
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2007-06-11, 11:04 AM #19
There not mad because the consider the church to be a holy place, they're mad because they are British and they are stupid about guns.

They basically said, "The fact that you made a video game that features people using guns in our church means that people will be encouraged to have real shootouts here."

It's one of those things that are too stupid to satirize.
2007-06-11, 7:49 PM #20
I think this subject is a lot more interesting than "religion" vs. speech/culture/video games.

It's more of a question of whether or not a company can use an image of someone's property in a commercial video game without their permission. It actually sounds reasonable to me that the church would make this law suit. I disagree with their conclusion that it will lead to an increase in gun crime, but I can at least understand why a church wouldn't want that kind of publicity.

Depending on British law, I'm sure Sony has some good arguments too though about the nature of a public Church (although owned privately).

If Sony got permission, they're golden and the church is being dumb. If they didn't get permission, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the church's suit. If anything, Sony should use a fictional cathedral and avoid the mess---or get permission.

Not saying I side with the Church completely, I just think it's an interesting case that deserves some research (which I will not do, so I won't make any hasty conclusions).
2007-06-11, 8:40 PM #21
Originally posted by Jedi Legend:
It's more of a question of whether or not a company can use an image of someone's property in a commercial video game without their permission. It actually sounds reasonable to me that the church would make this law suit.
actually this is quite similar to a trademark.

Construction on the Manchester Cathedral started about 800 years ago. It is a landmark, a tourist destination. It has been listed by the UK government as a structure with special historical significance. Its use in a game is no different than using the Tower of London or the Eiffel Tower. Maybe it's not in the best taste, but a graphical representation of the building would have long since entered the public domain. Sorta like how you can make a Macbeth video game without having to pay Shakespeare's descendants for the rights.

Sony would also not claim they had permission unless they did. They probably just asked the government (aka. the organization that can grant such permission) and not some soppy **** of a bishop (aka. some guy who wears a silly hat and says scary things).
2007-06-11, 9:07 PM #22
JL brings up a good point. Though I would not take a side. I don't think the issue is that there's a shootout there, the issue is that they used the representation of the building at all. Imagine if some company put your home in a video game. Would you be mad? Or would you expect to Wal Mart to sue if a walmart store was used in a video game? I'm quite sure they would. Or any other building for that matter.

Now at the same time, Jon`C, you're probably right about it being a public landmark, but how do the laws work on that? Is there a specific timeframe? The building's still owned by a private party is it not? Imagine you lived in an apartment complex in New York City that was really old. The City decided to make the building a historical site. Would that give a video game company the right to use the inside of your apartment in their game?
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2007-06-11, 10:03 PM #23
But you're talking about hate speech now. Would it be illegal for me to draw the cathedral? Would I be going against any copyright laws and speech laws by drawing the inside of your house?

Now if I drew the inside of your house, or a cathedral, with you or the priest being raped and murdered, I'd be using hate speech.

If I drew a man holding a gun shooting an alien in your home or church, would I be drawing hate speech, copyright infringement, or art?
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2007-06-11, 10:07 PM #24
Originally posted by JediKirby:
But you're talking about hate speech now. Would it be illegal for me to draw the cathedral? Would I be going against any copyright laws and speech laws by drawing the inside of your house?

Wouldn't your own rendition of something be just like a photograph? It should be covered under freedom of press or something.
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2007-06-11, 10:17 PM #25
Oh yeah, the Macbeth game would be too hardcore.
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2007-06-12, 3:56 AM #26
Originally posted by LividDK27:
Bloody Mancs...


You mean Manchestvites. :P
nope.
2007-06-12, 11:59 AM #27
Brits are almost as bad as americans, is that anything new?

Besides, they're all bald, fat people with very badly made messy tattoos, who can't even speak their native language correctly, and drink warm beer that tastes like piss. Also, a bunch of half naked gayish men running after a ball on a grass field for 90 minutes is their passion.

That said, i love britain. <3
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2007-06-12, 12:01 PM #28
Originally posted by Tracer:
Oh yeah, the Macbeth game would be too hardcore.


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2007-06-12, 12:16 PM #29
Originally posted by Baconfish:
You mean Manchestvites. :P

No, what I mean would probably get me banned :P
2007-06-12, 12:17 PM #30
:P
nope.

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