myuh! yeah, he is pretty angry

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I love Keith Olbermann. Such a well spoken, respectable reporter. It's sad that you have to applaud any reporter for being such. Honestly, I wish we had an equal conservative reporter. But all of the conservative reporters just use sarcasm, condescension, and arrogance. Olbermann is all of these things, but he's pointed, well argued, and historically/factually backed.

Yes!

Wow...

Sorry, I got bored after less than a minute into it.

It's kind of boring until the guy really starts going off. Might wanna try getting an attention span longer than that of a hamster's :p

This guy is pretty good, what does he do when he ain't ranting like this?

I like Olbermann. He's clearly partisan, but unlike the majority of people who fit that description, he doesn't just make things up. And he's right. It's unbelievable that Bush is going to get away with commuting a sentence for a crime he may very well have been complicit in. Even if it doesn't happen until they're out of office, someone needs to make an example of this whole crew. Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rove... the lot of them.

I think Olberman's a bit full of himself, but I like what he has to say.

That was really lame of Bush, but to be honest, it's nothing new. All the stuff that people have gotten mad about has happened in the past, time and time again. The problem is that politicians are jerks, but also, that people don't really care unless it effects them directly. The president, who ever he may be, will continue to get away with what ever he likes as long as the people only read it on the news, and they're told the lies they want to hear. And as far as I'm concerned they deserve every bit of it.

Wow. Just wow. Back anything you said up with facts, and lots of them (not just one or two instances) and PS, Watergate doesn't count. That's seriously one of the biggest loads of bull**** I've ever encountered.

"This happens all the time, Presidents have always been doing it, and we as the American Community deserve all of it"

Wow. How flamingly ignorant and defeatist. I'm really glad you're not going into politics.

Sweeping generalization, eh? Could you not even be fair enough to qualify this statement?

There are problems with arrogance and condescension on both sides.

Are you talking about pardons, or just presidential corruption in general? I'm confused as to your reaction, neither is a new phenomenon, I'm sure you know that. I think I'm just puzzled.

Try taking a decent US history class.

I don't care what you believe, your ignorance is no concern of mine, especially give your less open minded attitude. You don't care anyway, your just a shallow political fan boy.

Off the top of my head.

Not that it makes what Obi said right (about us deserving it, nor the resigned tone), but US presidents do pull some outrageous stuff time after time. The only one that I think is clean is Carter... I think. Not that he was a good president either, mind you.

But from Iran-contra, watergate (how on God's Green Earth is that 'bull'), things in the past like operation Ajax, operation paperclip (ok, not purely executive), I mean, I could list a ton of scandals related to our executive office, and I'm not really up on my history. Hell, in addition, who knows what we don't know.

I'm pretty much of the same viewpoint, although I would say he's very full of himself.

I am getting a tad cynical. Hopefully it wears off. This stupid move has caused me to become more depressed than usual.

Actually, now that you mention it, I remember the controversy with Clinton.

I said don't list Watergate because it was exposed and doesn't count all too much in my eyes considering it wasn't successful in any way shape or form. I also didn't call it bull, but instead aimed that comment at what Obi said. Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you for holding up the end of the bargain that Obi should have at least, stuff like this HAS happened from time to time, but never so much with one president, and never so concentrated into 8 years of time. Hell, even Nixon would've had trouble accomplishing as much bull**** that Bush has just by riding the line and doing what he could get away with.


Dodging the issue at hand because you don't know what you're talking about and then continuing to insult me. Man, your tactics for argument are impeccable, I must say.


Mixture of both. Presidents are corrupt, some to more and others to lesser degrees, pardons I don't have a problem with explicitly, just think that they should be able to be reviewed by some kind of committee external to the situation at hand (to make sure there was no funny business) but it'd probably have to be done like a jury to get it done right at all.

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I wonder if half the people complaining in the US today about the pardon even know what Libby did. Or if they're just complaining because Bush did something controversial again...

Oh, he's definitely full of himself. Just watching him, I think, "This guy thinks he's the second coming of Edward R. Murrow." But hey, he makes grandstanding look really good.

i have to say, that whole idea of a president being able to pardon someone is just crazy. I mean, it just defeates the purpose of having the legal system in the first place if there is someone with the power to overide it.

Even in Australia, where the governer general is able to sack the prime minister, there is noone with the power to just give a pardon without any reason (evidence wise) whatsoever.

Does anyone know where the presidents power of giving a pardon comes from? seriously, because I thought that there was a clause in the US constitution about seperation of powers.

but on topic, that was an excellent report. I dont think I have seen such skilled reporting in ages (this includes american, australian and brittish news).

Are you ****ing ****ting me or am I completely misreading this?? Cause Bush hasn't pardoned nearly as many people as past presidents.



If some other person pardoned a man that raped and murdered 50 babies, people would still rather ***** about Bush pardoning Libby.

hyperbolize much?

It's not about numbers. Bush pardoned a guy for breaking the law to save people in his own administration from scrutiny, possibly even including himself. Surely you understand what a dangerous precedent this sets?

It might be a little extreme...

But honestly. People just love to ***** about Bush.

Of course, it's not like the man received a full pardon. I believe 2/3rds of his sentence is still in effect. And Bush also is not the first President to pardon someone in order to save his administration's hide. Does it make it right, of course not. However, the surge in anger that has resulted is somewhat surprising to me, but I probably should have expected it.

Yeah... Bush has indeed introduced a new low, and man, will he be hard to beat for sheer abuse. I don't want to be here if there is someone worse.



I think he's referring to aaaaaaalllllll the other crap as well, not just pardons.

Are you serious about the "new low" or is that sarcasm?

You're right, I can't believe I typed "pardon" there. That's exactly the kind of thing that irritates me when other people do it.



Also true. It's just probably the first time it's received such wide publicity, which I guess is really an improvement.



Eh, he's the most hated President in recent history. People are going to grab onto anything he does wrong, partly because hating him is fashionable, but also partly because he's given them reason plenty of reason to be on the lookout for this kind of crap. Between this and the positively surreal nature of Cheney's latest attempts to avoid investigation, it's just gotten to be too much.

There's a reason for that.

i think bush is just flinging s**t in everyones face now. for a long time i actually supported him. this is getting ridiculous, i doubt Libby he really had much to do with the original C.I.A. name leak, but he was charged with lying to a grand jury. that is the same thing that Bill Clinton was convicted and IMPEACHED for!

however i do also think many people will just latch onto anything they can ***** about. some people hate bush, and ***** about him so much it is actually detrimental to anyone actually trying to make a real case against him.

this is just... just...

Well, it's funny how history sets things. They came out with that poll showing that FDR is one of the most well liked presidents, yet during his terms he was threatened with impeachment for 'dragging' the US into WWII by shipping supplies to Britain.

Now Bush is near the top of worst presidents, (along with Nixon!), yet who knows how we'll view it in 50 years.

I'm not talking about the last 20 years. I'm talking about all throughout American history. Wire taps, blatant violation of the first amendment after it was enacted, ect.

Did Clinton goto jail? Bush only took away his jail time, not his entire sentence. The ignorance in this thread is getting pretty high. Take a history class, learn about past pardons, put it in perspective. Didn't Clinton pardon someone convicted of child pornography, bank fraud, and 100's of others? Plus, this is not the first incident of an administration doing something to protect itself.

But, some of you think Bush is the antichrist.

The only difference between Clinton and Libby here is that it was about Clinton's personal life. However, he still lied. This treads on our immigration 'discussion' where some laws apparently are ok to break, but not others.