Friend sent me this. Figured I should share.

http://www.reuters.com/article/email/idUSL161097420070716

Naturally they don't have a picture of her

Dunno about anyone else, but I'm with the bus driver.

This article has a picture.

I'd hit that.

Yeah, jeez, take it as a compliment and move on, lady. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

comming comming comming comming >_<

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I hate it how women wear slutty clothes and then go on tirades when people look at them. Duh! You wear clothes that are designed to make people look at you and you act indignant when it happens? I don't care that some guy at a gas station was staring at your cleavage! Don't like it don't dress like a whore. It's not a difficult concept.

If I wasn't half drunk, I'd tear you a new ******* for your feable ideas.

EDIT: I'm going to do it anyhow. Look you conservative christian jackass, just because a woman wants to wear a low cut top doesn't mean some pervert ****ing bus driver has the right to throw her off a bus because he can't focus on his JOB without looking at her ****. You know what his job is? Drive the bus. Look at traffic, don't slam into ****, and drive the bus. Get the paying customers of the bus to where they're going. Too bad if he can't concentrate on where he's driving because some girl is hot. DEAL WITH IT! I deal with hot women all day long at the bar. Do I screw up drinks? No. I do my job.

Sweaters are sexy too you *****.

Hi there. You just made a drunk rant. Perhaps you should step away from your keyboard before you find yourself banned.

The bus driver didn't throw her off the bus. He asked her to move. Something in his re-view mirror was distracting. For the safety of the passengers he corrected the situation. When pouring drinks has lives depended on it, you may compare your job to his. Oh no! He's trampling on women's rights!

Hmm... You seem to be laboring under the rather idiotic delusion that I said the word "bus" anywhere in my post. Next time try to analyze the content of someone's post rather than spewing out self righteous drivel. Because we all know how wonderfully enlightened and progressive you are.





More, actually, in my opinion. But there's a huge difference between a person who dresses like they want to get laid ASAP, and someone who is simply trying to be pretty or attractive.

No, Obi, you're not picking a fight with a drunk. You will both be banned.

Of course it's not right, but she shouldn't be surprised by it, either.

Someone's never heard of using his "peripherals"

I didn't quite realize that until after I posted. I fight with him to much.

Besides, he started it.

I have to agree with Obi. Like they say, "If you're not in business, don't advertise!"

I'm sober and I completely agree with Antony. Seriously, where is the self-control? Was the rear-view mirror being blocked by the breasts or something? I don't get what prevented the driver from focusing other than his own lack of self control.




OR, alternatively, woman can dress how they wish and men can show some respect and SELF CONTROL and not gawk/sexually harass them. Maybe women wear clothing because it's summer time and it's hot for them to "cover everything up." That doesn't make them fair "game."

Since I'm sober and I read your post carefully, I have noted that you did not use the word "bus" in your post. Now, with that in mind, is this bus article an example of a woman who needs to change the way she dresses or shut up in your opinion? If not, do you defend the bus driver? Frankly, I think Antony's response was fair game. In the context of this thread, you seem to be defending the bus driver with your argument and Antony's response is on point although a bit rude.



I don't know. Being noticed is probably not something that would surprise her. Being moved in front of a bus full of people would be humiliating.


Question to those defending:
What if he had said: "Please move, you are far too fat and you're so disgusting I feel like I'm going to vomit. I can't focus!"

I shouldn't have to change to accomodate someone else's choice. It might be the courteous thing to do, but I still shouldn't be required to change. Really, if a woman chooses to dress like that and gets stared at, that's HER problem. She needs to accept the potential consequences of the choice she made.

Because I have recently developed the propensity to pick up the loosing sides of arguments against notable Massassians, coupled with the fact that I have nothing better to do, means I will now make the following (sober) post, you have been warned:

This particular scenario (you know, the one with the bus) is an interesting case. If we take it as assumed that the driver was honestly distanced by the woman, and didn’t just call her out because he wanted to humiliate her in front of the other passengers, then it’s pretty clear he did the right thing. A bus driver’s primary responsibility is to the safety of the passengers on the bus, and if he honestly was being distanced then taking action to remove the distraction and ensure the safety of the other passengers was within complete reason. If the passenger had simply been “to fat and ugly”, but still posed an honest distraction, the situation would be the same.

The question at hand here is if the bus driver was demonstrating characteristics that made him unsuitable for the job as bus driver. Would it be reasonable to have a bus diver who was uncomfortable with Blacks (or Hispanics, Asians, Caucasians, IYFMG)? How about a bus driver who is uncomfortable with a single particular patron? Do bus drivers not deserve the right to Refuse Service like every other private business (within reasonable extent)? Do formal restaurants have the right to enforce dress codes?

Anyway BRING IT ON

Too hot? She should probably see a doctor about that since nobody else is apparently that hot or, they have the SELF CONTROL to wait for an air conditioner or stiff breeze rather than go half naked in public.

She shouldn't have to move because the bus driver is a perv. There are hot women everywhere, and if he can't concentrate with one sitting behind him, he shouldn't be driving a goddamn bus in the first place.

I can't really comment on the motivations for women to dress sexy or, in my opinion, uncomfortably, but it's my understanding that it's about feeling sexy. And I'm sure they have some faith in men not to gawk like sweaty dorks just because a girl is wearing something low-cut.

I agree, although I think he could have asked her to come up and told her in private instead of embarrassing her.

Yeah, he should just have self-control, but even if he can't get a grip on the road, the safety of the passengers still comes first.

The reason I said "maybe" was to indicate that I don't actually presume to know why individuals dress the way they do. Some women probably do want to attract men. Some might dress light for other reasons. Calling them a "slut" because they dress a certain way is a generalization that says women who wear tight clothing are acting that way to please men. It assumes that women are objects (the show) to men (the audience).

I don't condone women acting like objects to men any more than I condone men treating women like objects. Feminism doesn't mean always taking the side of women in every debate. That said, EVEN IF this particular woman was wrong in how she dressed because she was objectifying herself, that does not justify the bus driver's behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right.

But she's not having to move because the bus driver is a "perv" as you put it. The ultimate cause is the decision she made.

Perhaps you can go sit ***-naked in a bus and come back to tell me you expect the bus driver to concentrate. Actually, go tell the authorities.

First, I recognize that we agree on self-control and I know that you are not defending the bus driver.

I would also like to point out that safety does come first. I doubt that this bus driver has a true compulsion that can't be overcome by control, but if he did, then he did the "right" thing.

Either case, the bus company is doing the wrong thing. If he has a problem, he should not be driving a bus at all. If he doesn't have a true compulsion, he should be reprimanded for not exercising self-control. Either way, the bus company's defense is ABSURD!

Or they can wear a T-Shirt and shorts like everybody else. I don't think folks want a fellow like myself in a tiny tube top and itty bitty skirt.

THAT would be distracting.

She didn't sit naked on the bus. She was legally dressed.

Since you want to go to more extreme examples though... (evil laugh)...

Your argument is the ultimate cause is the one that started the action, right?

For example, the woman dressed with lots of cleavage showing. This caused the man to be "distracted." He then humiliated her by having her move.

Now, let's play out your logic.

The woman dressed with cleavage showing. This causes a man to become sexually aroused. He is so overcome with this that he rapes the woman. Ultimate cause...?

No, I am not equating this with rape. The point is that the bus driver's reaction to the situation is inappropriate for a bus driver. He should not have to embarrassed a woman in front of a bus full of people. My extreme example illustrates why your attempt to shift responsibility for the bus driver's action is flawed. At the end of the day, people have free will (unless you want to debate that---bring it on!). The reactor is responsible for the reaction, not the stimulus.

1. She shouldn't be surprised if she dresses this way and people take notice.
2. It's still rude to stare.
3. That's not what this thread is about.
4. She has every reason to be surprised if she's publicly singled out like this for the way she's dressed.
5. If the driver honestly couldn't concentrate well enough to drive safely, he was right to ask her to move. Safety comes first.
6. If the driver honestly couldn't concentrate well enough to drive safely, he should probably find new employment. This probably won't be the last time he's faced with this problem.
7. In mid-route, stopping the bus and going back to talk to her quietly might not even have been an option. Shouting was inconsiderate, but probably the quickest way to resolve the problem.
8. It can't be that difficult to drive and check a girl out in the rearview at the same time anyway.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that no one is really "at fault" here. The driver just appears to be in the wrong profession.

Darn tootin'.

If a guy is so easy to distract, why does he have a job where the lives of others are in his hands? Imagine there is a hot woman walking across the street. Is he going to miss a red light? She could be the whore of Babylon for all I care, the guy is supposed to have eyes for the street only. All this talk of modesty on the woman's part isn't seeing the forest for the trees.

hehehe, awesome!

On the other hand, you've got to give him credit for taking precautions. Maybe he's easily distracted, but he took upon himself the responsibility to get rid of his distractions, at risk of pissing a lot of people off. That takes some balls.

No, she had to move because the bus driver couldn't keep his eyes off her. She can dress however she wants short of exposing herself. She's just a girl, she didn't have a neon sign abover her head, she wasn't screaming for attention, all she did was wear a low-cut shirt. And as Emon just said, if the situation was really so serious as to implicate the saftey of the other passengers, he should have told her in private.

And commenting on your first post in this thread;
I'm sensing some chauvinistic undertones here.
She shouldn't have to change how she wants to dress because some guy was staring at her. Taking what you said ("I shouldn't have to change, she should accept the consequences") reverse it and apply it to the situation, it becomes "She shouldn't have to change, the bus driver should accept the consequences" See? Bus driver should accept that he's a perv.

And being ***-naked would be breaking a law. This woman didn't break any laws by being smoking hot. However, if I were on a bus in a mini and showing off my fabulous neck-line, I would expect the driver to respect my descision to dress the way I wanted to. I wouldn't expect it to be a problem.

Unless he was really gay for me.

It's not that people can't use self control, it's a matter of "why should they?". Showing lots of cleavage is not something you do to cool off. It's very easy to differentiate people who are trying too cool off from people who are trying too hard to look hot. If you dress in a way that is designed to catch guys eyes and direct them to certain spots, you have no right to complain when they do. It doesn't matter if you don't want the way you dress to convey a certain message, it does, and guys aren't telepathic. If they don't want guys to stare at them (or, more likely, just the ugly nerds) they can simply dress differently. There's no sense in acting indignant because the wrong guy stared their breasts, when they all but wore a sign that said "look here".

As far as the bus driver goes, who knows. Certain people's brain operate differently and it can be hard to focus past a distraction, even if you are trying not to. Having worked as a life guard and having experience telling people things they'd rather not hear, I can tell you I've ever met would never have brought an issue like that up unless the bus was about to crash. The thing, is if he is that ADD should he be driving a bus in the first place.

Agreed to a certain extent. Not to reiterate what others have already said, but he could have approached her in a different matter. Awkward situation for the both of them, but he could gotten the same message across without bringing it out into the open. Right course of action, poor execution. Being a bus driver for should have lent him some patience and composure, I'm sure he's put up with other crap before.



Also, I'd hit that like the fist of an angry god.

I don't find that picture to be particularly relevant to the story.

,Ihr Ausschnitt irritiert mich, wenn ich in den Rückspiegel gucke. Da kann ich mich nicht mehr auf den Verkehr konzentrieren. Wenn sie sich nicht umsetzen, werfe ich sie raus‘

Seems appropriate.

I think I'm just gonna stop reading after Antony's post in order to filter most misogyny out of my head... done.

Amen, Antony. In fact, I'm going to quote your post two times to emphasis its greatness.





A shame most men don't think like you. A shame one has to get banned for being a better man.

Hmmm ... so he can't concentrate with just one hot female?

I wonder what would happen if there was a busload of hot females. I would hate love ... hat-ove!?! ... to be on that bus.