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Draft
2007-09-26, 5:14 PM #41
huh
2007-09-26, 5:26 PM #42
Originally posted by Spook:
Coast Guardsmen have been deployed to Iraq.

Just FYI.

Also yes, running from a draft makes you a pussy *****. Filing as a conscientious objector does not make you a pussy ***** (despite what many military members may say).


Yeah, but its the best chance of staying out of the actual war.

o.0
2007-09-26, 6:00 PM #43
Originally posted by TheCarpKing:
If there's a draft, I'm going to Canada. :awesome:


in that case i'll overthrow canada and make it part of america... YOU LOSE
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2007-09-26, 6:12 PM #44
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Since when is someone a pussy *******[?] for refusing to kill people in senseless wars? Whether or not they choose to comply with the prevailing bureaucracies?


That's not what he said. In fact, it's close to the opposite of what he said.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 6:15 PM #45
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Since when is someone a pussy *******[?] for refusing to kill people in senseless wars? Whether or not they choose to comply with the prevailing bureaucracies?


Did you read my post? No you didn't.

Originally posted by Greenboy:
Yeah, but its the best chance of staying out of the actual war.


Yes yes, probably the safest honorable way to serve and stay away from the heat. No problem with that, some people have reasons they feel they need to stay away. Family and such you know?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-09-26, 7:33 PM #46
Originally posted by Spook:
Did you read my post? No you didn't.


Yes I did, smart aleck.

You said group A of people are pussies and group b are not, somehow thinking they are entirely different groups of people. I correctly pointed out that this is not so. How does signing a piece of paper make the difference between a pussy and not?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:03 PM #47
His points were running from a draft is a cowardly thing to do. I would add that if you don't agree with the selective service system, and it applies to you, then you need to move out of the country now. Or just don't register for it. That way the problem won't arrise.

His other point is that if you are drafted into military service he does not see it as cowardly to declare one's self a conscientious objector, which would keep one from combat.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 8:12 PM #48
Originally posted by Wookie06:
His points were running from a draft is a cowardly thing to do. I would add that if you don't agree with the selective service system, and it applies to you, then you need to move out of the country now.


**** that ****. A much more sound option is to fight the asnininity of it. It won't get fixed if everyone just up and moves out of the country.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:13 PM #49
Originally posted by Wookie06:
His other point is that if you are drafted into military service he does not see it as cowardly to declare one's self a conscientious objector, which would keep one from combat.


That's the same thing as running. The only difference is the "concientous objector" signed a piece of paper and the "runner" didn't.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:15 PM #50
Originally posted by Spook:
Wow, how humanitarian of you. :rolleyes:


Oh, so I'm not a humanitarian if I don't risk my life for people who, at best, don't care, and will see that my efforts are wasted on petty religious infighting anyway.

I care, I just don't care enough to die for them. Why should I? Are their lives better than mine?

I'm not saying that it's not noble to, but I don't think you could make the case that it's ignoble not to want to.
2007-09-26, 8:23 PM #51
Originally posted by TheCarpKing:
If there's a draft, I'm going to Canada. :awesome:


Doesn't work anymore.

We have an agreement where they deport you.


Coincidentally, in certain parts of Canada the age of consent is pretty low. You'd fit in there well. (Leave my country)
2007-09-26, 8:45 PM #52
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Or just don't register for it. That way the problem won't arrise.


not registering is illegal
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2007-09-26, 8:47 PM #53
Originally posted by Freelancer:
**** that ****. A much more sound option is to fight the asnininity of it. It won't get fixed if everyone just up and moves out of the country.


If you disagree with the requirement to register for Selective Service then don't register or go to jail or whatever. I just don't want to hear what people are going to do when it really matters. But you (rhetorically, not necessarily you) are a ****ing hypocrite if you register for SS to get you nice little government welfare financial aid for school and then punk out when you get called to serve.

Oh, and I got in criticized for spelling "assinine" wrong once so you're dumb too. That was the only word that popped up when I ran spell check this time! ;)
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 8:47 PM #54
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
not registering is illegal


No one has been prosecuted for failing to register with Selective Service since 1986. If only I had known that before I did.. :(
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:48 PM #55
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
not registering is illegal


I knew that. That was my point. Deal with the consequences of not registering rather than register with no intention of honoring the committment.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 8:50 PM #56
Originally posted by Wookie06:
If you disagree with the requirement to register for Selective Service then don't register or go to jail or whatever. I just don't want to hear what people are going to do when it really matters. But you (rhetorically, not necessarily you) are a ****ing hypocrite if you register for SS to get you nice little government welfare financial aid for school and then punk out when you get called to serve.


I've never received financial aid or government loans before. And frankly, the benefits of not registering with the SSS far outweigh the things they take away from you (government jobs, loans, financial aid. That's it I think).

Quote:
Oh, and I got in criticized for spelling "assinine" wrong once so you're dumb too. That was the only word that popped up when I ran spell check this time! ;)


I spelled it right. It's "asinine."
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:51 PM #57
:hist101:
2007-09-26, 8:53 PM #58
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I've never received financial aid or government loans before. And frankly, the benefits of not registering with the SSS far outweigh the things they take away from you (government jobs, loans, financial aid. That's it I think).


I'm not aware of any benefits to not registering. New one for me.

Originally posted by Freelancer:
I spelled it right. It's "asinine."


No, you spelled asninity instead of asininity. :P

Okay, break from our multiple debates because I'm going to watch the Bionic Woman now. Love ya!
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 8:53 PM #59
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Deal with the consequences of not registering rather than register with no intention of honoring the committment.


It's not a commitment if you're forced to do it. :v:

Of course you should rebel against something you're forced to do that you think is wrong. That's the very definition of patriotism.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 8:55 PM #60
No, patriotism is the belief that your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.

-George Bernard Shaw
2007-09-26, 8:57 PM #61
By the way wookie, the reason no one has been prosecuted since 1986 is because of the vitriolic public reaction to such prosecutions prior to then. That tell you anything? :v: People don't like involuntary servitude.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 9:01 PM #62
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That's the same thing as running. The only difference is the "concientous objector" signed a piece of paper and the "runner" didn't.


Uh, no it's not because you're in the military, fulfilling the draft obligation.
Pissed Off?
2007-09-26, 9:02 PM #63
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That tell you anything? :v: People don't like involuntary servitude.


People don't like it, but when a nation is faced with a larger threat, then they must have mandatory service. Or at least, mandatory basic training for such and occasion that war is needed. Note that America currently isn't one of those nations.

Nordic countries, for example Norway or Finland, feel that Russia is a threat to them (and rightfully so; they outnumber them 10 to 1 or something). For those numbers, every person available is needed to defend their country. Curious, however, that those countries rank highest on the global peace index also, and have strong faith in neutrality.

>.>
2007-09-26, 9:07 PM #64
Originally posted by Avenger:
Uh, no it's not because you're in the military, fulfilling the draft obligation.


Really? Like you mean being a medic's assistant or something or doing paperwork? Damn...

You're still helping the war effort, though. I would say it depends on the war. If it's a bogus war, then even being a concientus objector is immoral.

Now if you're being invaded, then no, that's not a bogus war. All others pretty much are though, and it would be immoral imo to fight in it.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 9:11 PM #65
You said it was the same as running, and it's not the same.
Pissed Off?
2007-09-26, 9:12 PM #66
Originally posted by Avenger:
You said it was the same as running, and it's not the same.


That's because I thought you just signed a piece of paper and they left you alone. I didn't know they still expected you to help the war.

So no, now I know they are not the same, and I advocate "running" as you so call it if you deem the war immoral.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 9:17 PM #67
if you run... don't come back
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2007-09-26, 9:18 PM #68
YOU ARE ALL DRAFTED TO SERVE YOUR LORD, EMPEROR JEDIGANDALF!
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2007-09-26, 9:41 PM #69
Would someone please explain to me how this war is immoral? I guess I just fail to realize.
If my smoking bothers you, don't breathe.
2007-09-26, 9:48 PM #70
Just delete that last post. Please. It's not worth it.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 9:52 PM #71
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That's because I thought you just signed a piece of paper and they left you alone. I didn't know they still expected you to help the war.

So no, now I know they are not the same, and I advocate "running" as you so call it if you deem the war immoral.


At least in the Marine Corps, flagging yourself as a conscientious objector is the fastest way to a discharge. I am under the impression that a CO can be willing to do non combat jobs (as if there is such a thing) or be completely anti military and "unable" to serve. If that is your genuine belief, and you have the balls to tell military men to their faces that you believe military service is wrong, I see it as infinitely more commendable than running to another country or otherwise evading a draft. That includes deferments that you don't deserve, as in the case of several famous politicians.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-09-26, 10:24 PM #72
Originally posted by 82nd_Fister:
Would someone please explain to me how this war is immoral? I guess I just fail to realize.


We invaded a country.

As if that wasn't immoral enough, we did it for no reason.

It's simple
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2007-09-26, 11:02 PM #73
The funny this about morals is that they are just so darn subjective.
Pissed Off?
2007-09-26, 11:06 PM #74
I dunno.

Invading a country under a false pretense seems pretty immoral no matter how you put it.

Unless you're Adolph Hitler. But then again, he probably would have just admitted it was because he ****ing hates jews.
2007-09-26, 11:15 PM #75
I'm mere pointing out that anytime you bring morals into a discussion like this, there is always going to be more than one side and each side is equally correct because morality is subjective.
Pissed Off?
2007-09-26, 11:17 PM #76
And the fact that not everyone has, nor cares to have, morals.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2007-09-26, 11:29 PM #77
Everyone has morals of some kind or another. It's just a matter of where they draw the line between right and wrong.
Pissed Off?
2007-09-26, 11:36 PM #78
Originally posted by Wookie06:
And the fact that not everyone has, nor cares to have, morals.


"Nihilism...?..."

Originally posted by Rob:
Unless you're Adolph Hitler. But then again, he probably would have just admitted it was because he ****ing hates jews.


"...Say what you want about the tenants of National Socialism, dude. At least it was an ethos!"

Walter in The Big Lebowski
2007-09-27, 12:48 AM #79
Thirteenth Amendment mother****ers. :v:
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2007-09-27, 1:02 AM #80
Man, Y'all argue about some of the dumbest ****.



See, in a perfect world, you couldn't argue about something unless you were directly involved with it. And no, Directly involved does not mean how you, as an American Citizen, are "Affected" by the war because gas prices go up, etc..


It's like someone who doesn't vote *****ing about the way the country is being run.
If my smoking bothers you, don't breathe.
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