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A Quote from Stephen Fry
2007-09-30, 3:44 AM #1
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By design here, I mean GUI and OS as much as outer case design. Let’s go back to houses. The sixties taught us, surely, that architectural design, commercial and domestic, is not an extra. The office you work in every day, the house you live in every day, they are more than the sum of their functions. We know that sick building syndrome is real, and we know what an insult to the human spirit were some of the monstrosities constructed in past decades. An office with strip lighting, drab carpets, vile partitions and dull furniture and fittings is unacceptable these days, as much perhaps because of the poor productivity it engenders as the assault on dignity it represents. Well, computers and SmartPhones are no less environments: to say “well my WinMob device does all that your iPhone can do” is like saying my Barratt home has got the same number of bedrooms as your Georgian watermill, it’s got a kitchen too, and a bathroom.” … I accept that price is an issue here; if budget is a consideration then you’ll have to forgive me, I’m writing from the privileged position of being able to indulge my taste for these objects. But who can deny that design really matters? Or that good design need not be more expensive? We spend our lives inside the virtual environment of digital platforms - why should a faceless, graceless, styleless nerd or a greedy hog of a corporate **** deny us simplicity, beauty, grace, fun, sexiness, delight, imagination and creative energy in our digital lives? And why should Apple be the only company that sees that? Why don’t the other bastards GET IT??


http://www.stephenfry.com/blog/?p=3
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2007-09-30, 6:41 AM #2
But who said that Apple is the only one that can come up with "simplicity, beauty, grace, fun, sexiness, delight, imagination and creative energy"?

As far as I'm concerned, it's not just design, it's execution. Something can look pretty as mad hell, but if it doesn't work, then what good is it?
2007-09-30, 8:13 AM #3
As far as I've ever seen, Apple is the master of sugarcoating products that aren't that great. The ipod's functionality is fancy, but not the best it could be. it looks nice, though.
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2007-09-30, 8:29 AM #4
Well XP has like a kajillion themes for download. And Vista has fancy Aero.

Computer components just had to catch uo before we could make things look fancy,

MS was more concerned with fixing BSODS and adding features to Windows then making it look nice.
2007-09-30, 8:46 AM #5
I'm not even sure what he's saying. Apple has a nice UI? That's certainly left up to interpretation. And furthermore, why is aesthetic quality being revered in apple products, ignoring the fact that they are oftentimes feature shy, and very difficult to control beyond the shallow interface. I'm not even a windows fanboy, or anti-apple. The fact of the matter is that Apple has invested too much of its resources on aesthetics, and not enough on features and usefulness. I think Fry's point is lost with his sanction of apple.
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2007-09-30, 9:00 AM #6
The problem with a lot of geeky people is that they seem to subscribe to this belief that having more features is better.

In reality you should only have the features your use cases require that you have. the iPod and iPhone are without a lot of features that people may want. But they have all the features that the majority of people want from such products.

When I buy a digital audio player I don't really care if it has an AM/FM tuner built in, I just want it to play my music. The iPod shuffle is successful because Apple identified a demographic that didn't need the ability to choose which songs to play from a menu, so they produced a much simplified iPod and guess what? It was a success.

If you really need the more advanced niche features then by all means go out and buy a different product, but as everybody should know each additional feature means you are more likely to screw up the UI.

I don't have a single Apple product but at least I can recognise that Apple aren't actually focused on making everything super pretty, they're focused on making everything super-simple and super-usable. They may not always get it right (in fact, nobody ever does) but they recognise that at least trying to get it right puts them ahead of a lot of other companies.
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2007-09-30, 9:11 AM #7
I'm thinking more about the OS, and how if it breaks, there's very little you can do beyond reinstalling the OS.

And I guess the same goes for iPods, though. If something goes wrong, you have no troubleshooting tools built into the product.
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2007-09-30, 9:31 AM #8
Last time I used one it had the little software revival tool thing that came with it.

Well, older shuffles did at least.
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2007-09-30, 9:51 AM #9
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
As far as I'm concerned, it's not just design, it's execution. Something can look pretty as mad hell, but if it doesn't work, then what good is it?


I agree in some cases, but I dont see why OSX "doesn't" work...
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2007-09-30, 11:45 AM #10
Wow. A blogger who can actually write.
2007-09-30, 2:24 PM #11
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Wow. A blogger who can actually write.


...It's stephen fry, yknow, the greatest man alive?
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2007-09-30, 2:27 PM #12
I cry inside for Obi_Kwiet.
2007-09-30, 2:28 PM #13
...So what he's really saying is that art deco needs to make a comeback.
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2007-09-30, 2:34 PM #14
This is wholly a matter of opinion. I could live in a ****ing concrete box as long as it was functional — computers, maybe some soft stuff for a bed.

Cubicles, strip-lighting, who gives a ****? If it works, it works.

Same goes for gadgets.
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2007-09-30, 2:37 PM #15
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This is wholly a matter of opinion. I could live in a ****ing concrete box as long as it was functional — computers, maybe some soft stuff for a bed.

Cubicles, strip-lighting, who gives a ****? If it works, it works.

Same goes for gadgets.


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2007-09-30, 2:39 PM #16
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This is wholly a matter of opinion. I could live in a ****ing concrete box as long as it was functional — computers, maybe some soft stuff for a bed.

Cubicles, strip-lighting, who gives a ****? If it works, it works.

Same goes for gadgets.


Except most people are not the highly trained nerd machines like yourself. Most people will grow progressively less functional if they are in a poor environment for a long time.

If the environment is functional, but does not have the aesthetics to promote efficiency in the worker, it is not, in fact, truly functional.
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2007-09-30, 2:44 PM #17
Originally posted by Spook:
aesthetics to promote efficiency in the worker, it is not, in fact, truly functional.


Remember, comfort is not mutually exclusive to functionality.

Comfort can affect productivity for sure, but aesthetics? I doubt that.
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2007-09-30, 2:53 PM #18
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Remember, comfort is not mutually exclusive to functionality.

Comfort can affect productivity for sure, but aesthetics? I doubt that.


I dont. visuals are part of comfort.
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2007-09-30, 2:57 PM #19
What he's saying is proven Free... so....
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2007-09-30, 2:59 PM #20
I think it comes down to personal opinion, and how much stock each individual person puts on functionality/aesthetics.

I run into this all the time in my work. Here's an example. A few weeks ago, I was speaking to a lady about getting a cell phone. She had a corporate discount through her employer that allowed me to offer the moto RAZR for free. She could choose between the RAZR v3, or the RAZR v3t. The basic difference between the two is that the v3t has a better camera, a built in mp3 player, and a MicroSD memory slot. I explained the upgrades to the v3t to her, and once I'd finished, she had just one question.

"What color is it?" she said.

The v3t comes in a spun-metal black, (which, in my opinion is a very nice color). However, the v3 is available in magenta (obnoxious, bright pink color). She chose the v3 in magenta, because she liked the color. To her the extra features of the v3t were unimportant.

Bottom line is that most people will chose the more aesthetically pleasing item over the more functional one, and that knowledge is why Apple excels. Granted there are exceptions to this general rule, but Apple's just playing the numbers game.
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2007-09-30, 3:12 PM #21
Having more featues does not make something more functional, it just means it has more functions. If someone has no intention of using the extra features then there is no reason for them to not choose the one which looks nicest to them, this is why Apple succeeds. The iPhone is the most attractive phone that has the features that the majority of people look for in a phone.
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2007-09-30, 3:24 PM #22
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This is wholly a matter of opinion. I could live in a ****ing concrete box as long as it was functional — computers, maybe some soft stuff for a bed.

Cubicles, strip-lighting, who gives a ****? If it works, it works.

Same goes for gadgets.

My work area is abysmal. We operate off of desk-lights while we have the overheads turned off. If you never left your desk, you couldn't tell whether it was day or night except for your clock. The AC is constantly blaring. It never gets any warmer than 65 degrees. It always stays in the 60s. Outside it is summer, but inside, we're dressed like it's November. I'd kill to have a better working environment.
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2007-09-30, 3:27 PM #23
I think freelancer is actually a robot.
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2007-09-30, 3:37 PM #24
Well duh, How else wouldhe be able to have 15k posts and not go insane?
2007-09-30, 4:05 PM #25
That's right, free isn't insane.

:rolleyes:
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2007-09-30, 4:14 PM #26
Aww, that's cute. He still thinks I'm sane. :)
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