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New eBay site lets people finance the world's poor
2007-10-24, 12:39 PM #1
Is it just me or does this sound completely idiotic? Giving them loans? What the hell happened to good old fashioned charity?

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2336298820071024
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2007-10-24, 12:47 PM #2
Other places have done this for some time now - eBay's just jumping on the bandwagon.
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2007-10-24, 12:56 PM #3
I'm surprised as hell the government doesn't declare this illegal.
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2007-10-24, 1:16 PM #4
The 2006 Nobel Peace Prize went to someone doing microfinancing like that. It seems to work.
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2007-10-24, 1:20 PM #5
Can someone translate this for the slower people who don't understnad economics?
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2007-10-24, 1:39 PM #6
Originally posted by djwguitarman:
Can someone translate this for the slower people who don't understnad economics?


Microcredit.
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2007-10-24, 1:41 PM #7
Originally posted by djwguitarman:
Can someone translate this for the slower people who don't understnad economics?


You become a micro-bank and micro-finance micro-businesses. :ninja:
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2007-10-24, 1:52 PM #8
But why give them loans? Why do you have to get something back? Whats wrong with just GIVING THEM THE MONEY?
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2007-10-24, 1:57 PM #9
Originally posted by stinkey diver:
Is it just me or does this sound completely idiotic? Giving them loans? What the hell happened to good old fashioned charity?

Most people aren't willing to give away large sums of money. This way, more people can contribute more readily. It may not be as good as a donation, but more people will be doing it, meaning the poor benefits more.
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2007-10-24, 2:04 PM #10
A loan gives the borrower the resources to do something for themselves. They have to put the loan to good use in order to make it worth their time and trouble. In other worse, they have to be responsible with the loan.

If you just give someone money, they will be happy. But, they won't have the incentive to put that money towards something worthwhile (and profitable).

With a loan you're helping someone to their feet instead of just carrying them. You're teaching the borrower to work to better themselves instead of just spoiling them.
"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."
2007-10-24, 2:18 PM #11
Yeah, that too.
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2007-10-24, 2:20 PM #12
I see.
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2007-10-24, 2:34 PM #13
bah
2007-10-24, 3:02 PM #14
Originally posted by Bobbert:
A loan gives the borrower the resources to do something for themselves. They have to put the loan to good use in order to make it worth their time and trouble. In other worse, they have to be responsible with the loan.

If you just give someone money, they will be happy. But, they won't have the incentive to put that money towards something worthwhile (and profitable).

With a loan you're helping someone to their feet instead of just carrying them. You're teaching the borrower to work to better themselves instead of just spoiling them.


Just quoting this so more people will read it before making idiotic "selfishness!" posts.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-10-24, 3:16 PM #15
Still I know of many organizations where they money you give them goes towards such goals as helping them learn to grow their own crops etc with out there being a loan.
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2007-10-24, 3:46 PM #16
Originally posted by Bobbert:
A loan gives the borrower the resources to do something for themselves. They have to put the loan to good use in order to make it worth their time and trouble. In other worse, they have to be responsible with the loan.

If you just give someone money, they will be happy. But, they won't have the incentive to put that money towards something worthwhile (and profitable).

With a loan you're helping someone to their feet instead of just carrying them. You're teaching the borrower to work to better themselves instead of just spoiling them.


In other words...

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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2007-10-24, 4:09 PM #17
My thoughts exactly.
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2007-10-24, 4:13 PM #18
Savage, basically. If only the welfare system in the US worked like that. We only seem to give people fish around here.

Mystic, they are loaning the people money, and using the support group to make the issue of collateral moot. Thats the whole idea of support groups: you're more likely to pull through if you have the support of others in similar circumstances. After the loan is paid off then they are more than welcome to make 16 other decisions, are they not?

Huh...those 16 decisions are pretty good rules to live by (though obviously tailored for 3rd world countries).

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"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."
2007-10-24, 4:29 PM #19
Originally posted by SavageX378:
In other words...

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."


not exactly. fishing is a valuable skill that produces life-fostering results. by extending a loan, you're not teaching anyone anything. you're prodding them toward playing the game of monopoly.. and make no mistake, they very well could fail. and they don't need your nagging yoke around their neck when they do: that's the slavery
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2007-10-24, 4:54 PM #20
Originally posted by Mystic0:
okay, fine... though i'd prefer working in a dangerous chinese factory and saving a few dollars a month to joining a maoist cult


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2007-10-24, 5:03 PM #21
Quote:
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yes, i hate black culture too
2007-10-24, 5:08 PM #22
Originally posted by Mystic0:
yes, i hate black culture too


WTF you confused me so much right there.
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2007-10-24, 5:44 PM #23
Originally posted by stinkey diver:
Still I know of many organizations where they money you give them goes towards such goals as helping them learn to grow their own crops etc with out there being a loan.


The UN did that. Except they gave them crops that, in theory considered to be faster-growing and stronger, pretty much failed and pushed the farmers into a world of financial problems.
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2007-10-24, 8:45 PM #24
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i'm sorry but this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. although i've never seen it occur in a male's writing before.
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2007-10-24, 8:50 PM #25
Mystic, stop getting your economy education from one biased source.
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2007-10-24, 9:21 PM #26
Originally posted by Mystic0:
yes, i hate black culture too


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2007-10-24, 11:41 PM #27
Originally posted by Bobbert:
The 2006 Nobel Peace Prize went to someone doing microfinancing like that. It seems to work.


Yeah. The loans amount to a few hundred dollars to help people set up small businesses in their towns and villages. The groups that give these loans have above a 90% repayment rate with their customers. It works well.

Originally posted by stinkey diver:
Still I know of many organizations where they money you give them goes towards such goals as helping them learn to grow their own crops etc with out there being a loan.


The incentive is that they use the money to create a business of their own. They are invested in seeing that the business succeeds because it's their business. A group that gives people money crops doesn't do much good if they don't own land or have access to the other resources needed to grow crops like water, fertilizers, pesticides, etc. It also doesn't help people who live in places where agriculture is not a viable means to make a living.

Go look up more about these microloans. They are extremely successful.
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2007-10-25, 1:19 AM #28
Originally posted by JLee:
You become a micro-bank and micro-finance micro-businesses. :ninja:


and eventually you end up with micro-machines... :P
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2007-10-25, 12:49 PM #29
Originally posted by Ford:
i'm sorry but this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. although i've never seen it occur in a male's writing before.


Yikes, really dumb mistake on my part. :suicide:
"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."

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