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Redsox win the World Series
2007-10-28, 9:06 PM #1
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2007-10-28, 9:08 PM #2
Now countdown to wiki update.
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2007-10-28, 9:09 PM #3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox

Well... less than a minute. That's fun. :awesome:
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2007-10-28, 9:09 PM #4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series_2007

Already done, 1 minute after the game.
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2007-10-28, 9:21 PM #5
go sox!
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2007-10-28, 9:23 PM #6
As a Yankee fan, this just blows. Hopefully A-Rod will sign with Boston and a new curse will begin.
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2007-10-28, 9:25 PM #7
I miss when the Sox had the curse. :(
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2007-10-28, 9:28 PM #8
Can we get back to the normal and more enjoyable sunday night lineup now?
2007-10-28, 9:33 PM #9
Yes?
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2007-10-28, 9:54 PM #10
At least with baseball, it's not always one league/conference winning.

To get what I'm talking about see: AFC.
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2007-10-28, 9:57 PM #11
Police were at my campus within seconds of the Sox winning. There's a huge cluser f**k of people in our Quad setting off fireworks, holding up brooms screaming SWEEP! GO REDSOX etc... It's a freaking blasty blast. The campus is getting ripped up. I can only imagine whats happening in Boston a few miles away. This is awesome.
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2007-10-28, 10:23 PM #12
I never watched baseball before this year's playoffs. Turns out I had it right all along. Any sport in which an organization can do as great a job building a team from the ground up as the Rockies have done and then get blown out of the water by a team whose only virtue is vastly bigger payroll is not a sport that holds much interest for me.
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2007-10-28, 10:25 PM #13
Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
I never watched baseball before this year's playoffs. Turns out I had it right all along. Any sport in which an organization can do as great a job building a team from the ground up as the Rockies have done and then get blown out of the water by a team whose only virtue is vastly bigger payroll is not a sport that holds much interest for me.


uhh... have you HEARD of the Yankees? That's what the Yankees are notorious for and the Rockies beat them. That's not what this was about.
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2007-10-28, 10:26 PM #14
If anything the Red Sox is one of those teams that came up from nothing.
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2007-10-28, 10:29 PM #15
Originally posted by Lord_Grismath:
uhh... have you HEARD of the Yankees? That's what the Yankees are notorious for and the Rockies beat them. That's not what this was about.


Of course I've heard of the Yankees. I don't care any more for them than I do the Sox. Once you're talking about payrolls in excess of $100 million, there's not much difference as far as I'm concerned.
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2007-10-28, 10:48 PM #16
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/red_sox.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/rockies.html

Papelbon, Youkilis, and Pedroia get payed peanuts compared to the rest of the team, and if it wasn't for them, I don't think the sox would be celebrating tonight. Nobody on either team (or any team) makes over $100,000,000. Stop complaining.

(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/yankees.html Seriously.)
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2007-10-28, 11:36 PM #17
Originally posted by SAJN:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/red_sox.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/rockies.html

Papelbon, Youkilis, and Pedroia get payed peanuts compared to the rest of the team, and if it wasn't for them, I don't think the sox would be celebrating tonight. Nobody on either team (or any team) makes over $100,000,000. Stop complaining.

(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/salaries/yankees.html Seriously.)

Clearly you have failed in the understanding of payroll.

I got through the top 11 players on the Yankees alone before I came to: $236,547,519
The top five: $104,337,096.

I can..forego the team if the entire organization costs $100M+ but the top five players cost $100M+??

Tell me there is nothing wrong with baseball.
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2007-10-29, 4:14 AM #18
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
Clearly you have failed in the understanding of payroll.

I got through the top 11 players on the Yankees alone before I came to: $236,547,519
The top five: $104,337,096.

I can..forego the team if the entire organization costs $100M+ but the top five players cost $100M+??

Tell me there is nothing wrong with baseball.


Right, we were trying to prove that Yankees players make ridiculous salaries. And yet they didn't win.

If you think that there is something "wrong" with baseball simply because of the size of player salaries, then your problem is with the mechanics of supply and demand, not the sport. Or your problem is with the fanaticism of a fan base that will riot in the streets for a victory and has a willingness to pay sufficient sums in sufficient numbers to incentivize teams paying large salaries to attract the highest-performing players.

My problem is not with baseball so much as it is with nationally-broadcasted, commercialized spectator sports in general; I see them as the Coliseum of our time. People define themselves as fans of a particular team and become so wrapped up in its failures and successes, so intimately knowledgeable in the histories and statistics of the players... to the exclusion of knowledge that would better benefit their chances of survival and success. They obsess over these petty games and are mesmerized by the bright lights, ignoring dire flaws and issues in our society and world.

Certainly recreation and some distraction from the daily grind is a healthy release, but a lifestyle of sports-fanaticism is, to me, a simian throwback and a social construct surrounding a might-as-well-be-arbitrary subject that everyone can know and talk about when there's little else fit for idle banter.

That being said (and my having said it), I have surrendered and come to enjoy watching baseball. Going to games is a socially accepted (or at least tolerated) outlet for antics and immaturity (e.g. last night the riot police let one last person climb up the signpost at the intersection of Brookline St. and Yawkey Way outside Fenway Park before pushing the crowd farther down the street). Watching games provides one with conversation pieces with which to socialize with individuals from all walks of life around the nation (e.g. when I was in Louisiana this past week, when I mentioned I was from Boston, even though I had little in common with most people I met, we could still have lively discussions on sports until we could segue into other topics). Following a team provides fans with a collective sense of local or regional identity. After last night's win, I am "proud" to be a Bostonian (even if just for college) because I can jocularly rub our victory in everyone else's faces and there's a sense of national achievement/recognition for a team that supposedly represents our city, nevermind where the players are from and nevermind that I've never paid for tickets to a game or purchased memorabilia.

I enjoy baseball for the wildness, the banter, and the sense of belonging. The sport brings people together and, even if it's a shallow happiness, brings enjoyment and entertainment to a great many. Most individuals in that great many are willing to exchange their money for this entertainment, and so it is not surprising to me that on the national level, baseball is a high-grossing sport and compensates its players accordingly.

Even though the Rockies did not win the Series, they have achieved national notoriety for making it as far as they did and defeating many other teams boasting highly-talented (and compensated) individuals.
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
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2007-10-29, 5:30 AM #19
I won't start watching baseball until they come out with a sepearate league specifically for steroid abuse.
2007-10-29, 6:35 AM #20
Originally posted by Lord_Grismath:
My problem is not with baseball so much as it is with nationally-broadcasted, commercialized spectator sports in general; I see them as the Coliseum of our time. People define fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap oh yeah that's the stuff fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap ohh fwap fwap fwap fwap ooh fwap fwap


Could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the psuedo-intellectual rambling. Sports team fandom is a far cry from the days of the Blues and Greens in Constantinople, who spent as much time breaking into houses and killing people as they did watching races. It's not like people would be starting think tanks to solve poverty if they weren't so busy watching sports, they'd just occupy their time with something else.
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2007-10-29, 7:25 AM #21
Stat... what he's saying is players get paid such salaries because the fans SUPPORT IT with their ticket buying and merchandise buying etc.

The majority of baseball fans obviously do not subscribe to the notion that baseball players make too much money, or if they do, it's not a big enough concern for them to vote against it with their money. And so they support it.

2007-10-29, 8:14 AM #22
Originally posted by stat:
Could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the psuedo-intellectual rambling. Sports team fandom is a far cry from the days of the Blues and Greens in Constantinople, who spent as much time breaking into houses and killing people as they did watching races.


Oh I'm sorry, let me dumb down my diction so it doesn't seem so "intellectual" to you. Heaven forbid I try to articulate myself.

If you're going to take the argument that problems in modern times are "nothing" compared to the scourges of earlier times (with the implication that we should just suck it up), then most of today's problems are "nothing" and we might as well just "suck it up" and "deal" instead of hoping for and working towards an even better future.

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It's not like people would be starting think tanks to solve poverty if they weren't so busy watching sports, they'd just occupy their time with something else.


The sports-watching is a symptom, not the disease itself. Certainly, if all sports suddenly stopped, people would find other things to distract themselves or others would swoop in with things to distract them. What I hope would change is a mentality of sensory overload to actively avoid reality.

I don't know about the Blues and Greens, but sports fans can still get a bit intense... http://youtube.com/results?search_query=russian+football+hooligans
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
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2007-10-29, 10:51 AM #23
Nice strawman, buddy. My point is not that I necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but your smarmy college-boy know-it-all petite bourgeoisie attitude is a slightly bit grating. But you're obviously the one with all the answers, and it's good that you can associate with your social inferiors, and even get your knees dirty and experience their simple joys!
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2007-10-29, 11:03 AM #24
Originally posted by stat:
Nice strawman, buddy. My point is not that I necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but your smarmy college-boy know-it-all petite bourgeoisie attitude is a slightly bit grating. But you're obviously the one with all the answers, and it's good that you can associate with your social inferiors, and even get your knees dirty and experience their simple joys!


:downswords: ad hominem
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
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2007-10-29, 1:46 PM #25
I guess my point is this: It took the greatest end-of-season run in the history of baseball to get Denver to pay attention to the Rockies. No one cared because, unless the organization somehow managed to assemble a group of good players in the tiny window before they all left for bigger paychecks, they'd just end up being overmatched sooner or later. How many more small-market teams will manage it? I don't know how many times I've seen a team like the KC Royals ship off another promising player to one of the big markets. It sucks for sports fans who aren't from those cities and don't just want to jump on the Sox wagon, or the Yankees wagon, or the Cubs wagon. So they just ignore baseball, the teams continue to struggle financially (relative to the heavy hitters, anyway) and it never gets any better.

I don't mean to take anything away from Boston, but it sucks that the league is set up like this.
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