So.. we're half way through season 4.. and despite the cast changes, i think its been a pretty decent season thus far.. quite a few awesome episodes.. im excited about the second half.

Whats everyone else's impression?

Kaylee's hotter in this series.

I agree with MysteriousSith and Wolfy. I don't even notice that Weir is gone actually, which says a lot about how she and Carter are both bit characters beyond the point of bit-iness.

Too much replicator and not enough wraith though.

That new commander that replaced Wier, Samantha or something, is pretty good. I like her better than Wier. Wier always sort of annoyed me.

Yes, that "one of the main characters from the show this one is based on" is indeed a good character.

I haven't seen the last four or five episodes, I've been meaning to catch up.

Atlantis isn't bad but the Wraith are a lame villain to start, and then they decided to be unoriginal and bring in "new" replicators which just so happen function exactly like the other ones despite being completely different. So unless they bridge the gap (and say, explain the origins of the replicator girl from SG-1), it's pretty lame.

The person who replaced Dr. Wier. You'd know if you actually watched the series.

I think her name is Samantha Carter.

I'm glad they've been moving the plot along quickly instead of wasting time with filler episodes. In my opinion the ones on Atlantis had never been very good anyways. I guess this is probably just a by-product of having twice the effects budget to work with; they can fill every episode with tons of CGI and explosions (which are of course an integral part of plot).

I really really like the direction this season has gone, because there's just so much they could do with it. Will they finally be forced to ally with the wraith? Will they figure out how to deactivate all the replicators Dakara-style (and then have it become a race with the wrath to see who can jack the most replicator battleships? [they aren't made from replicator bricks, right?])? Or maybe they'll discover that the replicators are programmed to deactivate once the wraith are gone and then will throw in on the side of the replicators?

Oh this is so ironic it hurts.

Obi, Samantha Carter was one of the main characters in Stargate SG-1, the show that Stargate Atlantis is based on. That's what Jon was talking about.

I loved SG-1 but haven't yet watched this. Should I?

Uh, yes?

Pretty sure the replicators in Atlantis came first (story wise, not episdoe wise), they were created to fight the wraith, when they abandoned atlantis and went back to earth, one of the scientist's that created the replicators moved to that planet in SG-1 and created the android Reese in the hopes that maybe she'll be the missing link in the replicator coding that malfunctioned and turned the replicators against the ancients.

But she was flawed and started creating little replicators out of metal to protect her and give her company, the replicators killed everyone on that planet and moved on in search of more materials to replicate, eventually the asgard found them, studied them and then wound up in a war with them, placing them in a time statis, they managed to evolve to a state of humanoid likeness similar to their orginal Pegasus counterparts.

Thats the replicators explained.

I agree, that is an excellent theory and I hope they actually explain it in the show at some point.

Wraith are lame, and the replicators are old hat, but I love the characters so I love watching every week.

Except, I've never seen SG1, and we're talking bout Atlantis, so at best his post was an example of very poor communication.

I have to start watching Atlantis.
They put Carter in there? Well that's a plus.

It's not theory. Everything in Grant's post comes from the two shows.

Including the bit about one of the scientists who worked on the Ancient replicator project creating Reese? I'd have remembered that.

stargate <3

And the fact he threw quotes around part of what he said wasn't a dead giveaway that he was sarcastic?

Yeah, me too. I've seen all of SG-1 and Atlantis up until the last few episodes.

Obi, you should really watch SG-1. Not only is it pretty essential, but it's far better than Atlantis, overall.

Yeah SG-1 is great. Plus its relatively cheap to buy nowadays.

Walmart -- a whole season = $20 a pop.

It is suggested in the Reese episode IIRC.

Also this is an incredibly advanced piece of alien technology, furthermore

I know it. I've actually been planning on it, except I just don't have the time.

You should talk to Anovis; I hear he got a really good deal on Stargate DVDs.

They suggest a "human scientist," nothing about an Ancient or about trying to figure out why their first replicators failed.

o.O

Damnit, now I need to watch it...

Just watched last night's ep. Thinking about doubles and manufactured clones makes me want to say "Comtriyah!"

Addendum to his words.

Heh, I just watched that episode two nights ago.

Just finished watching SGA on iTunes. Is that mid-season cliffhanger?

I think my favorite part was at the end, when the screen goes black and you hear more "blips" appearing and McKay going "crap".
And to really put myself in the minority here, in the episode, I thought Jewel looked odd in the face for some reason.

Yeah, the ending was nice. I don't think they've ever done anything post-fade before.
And that was 4x10, could be the break. I caught it online also, so I didn't see if there was "next on Stargate" afterwards.

Not mid season. Just last of '07. It's a short holiday break, then they're back in January. That's the way I understood it at least.

Well that's good then, I hated waiting for months for them to finish a season.

Yes, but when your watching at 3am on a saturday night and you just finished the last of the season, theres nothing like jumping in the car for a quick ride to wallyworld for some instant gratification. =D

yeah.. that was funny... i also thought the scenes with the two Mckays was hilarious

the ancient who built Reese would have looked like a human to any other human in the galaxy, we are their second evolution after all.

as for the specific, I can't recall the exact episodes, but I'm sure McKay makes reference to Reese, but the story goes that when the ancients left Pegasus, they went to milky way, a scientist tried to re-create a missing link possibly, an android that can control the aggressive nanites. it failed, killed the planet and the bugs left to destroy other worlds.

The theory is proven by several factors.

1. The human form replicators evolved into the exact same way as Pegasus replicators.

2. The Pegasus replicators (asurans) are over 10,000 years old.

3. When O'neill made the replicator disruptor using the ancient database, it makes sense, since the ancients would be familiar with replicators already and know how to disrupt them.

http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/races/r/replicators.shtml

Your theory does make sense, yes, but it's not explicitly stated in the series. I agree it's probably what happened, but it's yet to be definite. They could still screw it up. I doubt they will, but you get the idea. We don't really know yet, is my point.

Actually I noticed how Carter isn't even in some episodes? Doesn't make much sense in the context where she is supposed to be making the big decisions (in those episodes Sheppard does), but I suppose they needed her for the SG-1 movies around the same time.



They already did that in SG-1. There was an entire episode about it. I think it was in Season 7...

It is a bit lame but they are different enough that I can forgive the writers. It gives them a chance to do some things they didn't get a chance to do with the SG-1 replicators. Of course, the fact that the last episode in which they did happens to be an Atlantis port of SG-1's first season "Tin Man" doesn't help, but Friday's episode does expand the Atlantis universe a bit and fills in some important plot points including hanging threads from 10x02 ( Wier's capture ) and "The Seer" (if you've seen it you know).



They didn't have twice the budget, they shot two direct-to-DVD movies too. Also the SG-1 actors said they went all out with the movies as far as sets and effects and stuff.



Only replicators themselves are made from the nanites. Their buildings and ships and such are made of normal materials. That last bit you said makes sense, and would explain why the replicators were intentionally putting off battling the Wraith, as stated in their introductory episode . But it can't be that easy. Especially since they could never be sure that they killed all the Wraith (one survived somewhere, hiding out, who knows?) and such they could keep themselves online forever with that loophole.



As for who came first, Emon was referring to in concept and in writing. Replicators were well established before Atlantis started airing.

Interesting theory. The only thing I find wrong with it is that the android was specifically made to create replicators (under her control). Any scientist who worked on the Ancient Replicators wouldn't have allowed her such unrestricted replication (not after what happened the last time).





I also enjoyed these bits.



Interesting point. However, he was linked with an Asgard computer when he made the weapon, which would have had lots of useful sensor data for him to draw on, using general knowledge from the Ancient database to construct a weapon. However, then there is the problem of why the ARGs made using that first gun's specs work on Ancient replicators... the ARGs could be an improved version that are designed to counteract Milky Way replicators' ability to resist (in case they didn't all get wiped out) and with such an ability to affect any bonds between replicator cells... and the fact that replicator cells are similar to nanites... they are also vulnerable.

Also if the replicators were similar, and the ARG just a slimmed down version of the first gun, the Ancient replicators would have been able to adapt just as quickly to ARGs as the Milky Way ones did (Sheppard even thinks this) but it ends up taking them longer, over several episodes.

I think thats why they created the android, it was more able to follow instructions then the nanites who operated on logic then commands, by controlling the creator of the replicators you controlled them as well. But of course, as with seemly all ancient projects, it failed.

If you want to control something you don't give it an AI and free will.