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Movies people take too seriously.
2007-12-16, 7:05 PM #1
I have been pondering this subject lately. A lot of people form their whole worldview from the philosophy of a movie(s) and it bugs the **** out of me.

The Matrix and Fightclub are too major offenders. I guess it wouldnt be so annoying if they actually adhered to these philosophies and didn't just flash it around to be cool.

Those are the two that really get me. The Notebook also bothers me because all the ladies now want a romance just like it.

Discuss.
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2007-12-16, 7:23 PM #2
Spook don't you ever wonder if the world is like...not real

whoa
2007-12-16, 7:27 PM #3
Ummmm
2007-12-16, 7:43 PM #4
What is the worldview that the Matrix suggests?

Fight Club, I can get. It's a very attractive philosophy, the anti-consumerist, pro-masculinity thing, to teen males. But you're right that most people just flash it around – at least the ones that talk to you. They probably wouldn't be if they actually espoused that way of thinking.
2007-12-16, 7:52 PM #5
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2007-12-16, 7:56 PM #6
What's even more funny is that Fight Club is proof of why anarchy and machismo attitudes are inherently flawed.
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2007-12-16, 8:10 PM #7
Originally posted by Hebedee:
What is the worldview that the Matrix suggests?


That's part of the thing, it really doesn't. But all of these people proclaim that they are philosophers and all they are doing is "dude, what if like, we're in a computer. Whoa." Like Thrawn. And yes I wonder and hope that often. :psyduck:

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Fight Club, I can get. It's a very attractive philosophy, the anti-consumerist, pro-masculinity thing, to teen males. But you're right that most people just flash it around – at least the ones that talk to you. They probably wouldn't be if they actually espoused that way of thinking.


Yeah, that's exactly it. I know people who share some of the same ways of thinking.
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2007-12-16, 9:22 PM #8
Originally posted by JediKirby:
What's even more funny is that Fight Club is proof of why anarchy and machismo attitudes are inherently flawed.


No, Fight Club is a fiction. You cannot prove a point with events that never happened. Furthermore, Fight Club does not build a strawman of either masculinity or anarchy or commercialism since the book is more about self-actualization: the narrator progresses from a comfort-driven and petulant child-state, through an aggressive warlike and sexual state and finally into a firmly-structured patronage, all of which are traditional masculine roles in society. While the desire to wreak havoc was a catalyst for the changes in the protagonist, the book was never about lampooning either the concept of anarchy or masculinity in general. If nothing else, the book illustrates how the feminization of men can be destructive; either to society as a whole, or to an individual's wellbeing.

But whatever makes you feel better about wearing makeup mang
2007-12-16, 10:11 PM #9
I live my life according to the teachings of Ferris Bueller. :colbert:
2007-12-16, 11:23 PM #10
Originally posted by Jon`C:
No, Fight Club is a fiction. You cannot prove a point with events that never happened. Furthermore, Fight Club does not build a strawman of either masculinity or anarchy or commercialism since the book is more about self-actualization: the narrator progresses from a comfort-driven and petulant child-state, through an aggressive warlike and sexual state and finally into a firmly-structured patronage, all of which are traditional masculine roles in society. While the desire to wreak havoc was a catalyst for the changes in the protagonist, the book was never about lampooning either the concept of anarchy or masculinity in general. If nothing else, the book illustrates how the feminization of men can be destructive; either to society as a whole, or to an individual's wellbeing.

But whatever makes you feel better about wearing makeup mang


Whoa.
I just finished school dude. *brain freeze*

And my first choice would have to be the infamous Titanic.
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2007-12-16, 11:35 PM #11
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2007-12-16, 11:38 PM #12
Does the whole genre of "anime" count?

Try going anywhere and saying that it sucks, I dare you. There'll always be some nerd who gets so worked up over it that you wonder how he isn't having an aneurysm and/or heart attack as he screams that he's gonna come kill you with his katana for daring to insult his precious anime.
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2007-12-16, 11:56 PM #13
Originally posted by Spook:
I have been pondering this subject lately. A lot of people form their whole worldview from the philosophy of a movie(s) and it bugs the **** out of me.


I agree.. actually it's something that I've had to deal with personally a little bit recently.. heh.
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2007-12-16, 11:58 PM #14
Donnie Darko.

Fantastically pretty, refreshingly weird, has no point.

Love it though.
2007-12-17, 12:01 AM #15
Originally posted by Martyn:
has no point


Donnie Darko had a definite 'metaphor vehicle' vibe but there wasn't one. I have rather strong analytical urges so it drove me up the wall.
2007-12-17, 12:37 AM #16
Originally posted by kyle90:
Does the whole genre of "anime" count?

Try going anywhere and saying that it sucks, I dare you. There'll always be some nerd who gets so worked up over it that you wonder how he isn't having an aneurysm and/or heart attack as he screams that he's gonna come kill you with his katana for daring to insult his precious anime.


The average person in the US hasn't seen decent anime, and usually makes judgments on the whole genre based upon viewing crappy shows like Pokemon. It doesn't bother me that not everyone likes it. It does bother me when people form their opinion about an entire genre by using the bottom of the barrel as their reference.

...but yeah, you're right, most anime fans do tend to over-exaggerate when they hear that someone doesn't like it, even if they don't like it for good reason.
2007-12-17, 12:44 AM #17
Originally posted by Jon`C:
...so it drove me up the wall.


See, because you understand what you see you can admit this - I knew people at uni who tried to read into everything and they seemed to hail it as the best, most deeply layered film of their generation.

They drove me up the effing wall.
2007-12-17, 1:11 AM #18
Originally posted by kyle90:
Does the whole genre of "anime" count?


I have yet to meet a person who would draw his view of life from anime. Either I'm lucky or doing that is fatal and thus chances of seeing them are slim.

Anime for sure contains stories that look very appealing after watching the same shi... stuff from Hollywood for most of my life but only a really desperate person or a madman would try to actually base his philosophy of life on them. Which equally holds true for any fiction made for entertainment.

Well, teens have many kinds of transient notions because they are actively looking for a direction for their life, oft from external sources.
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2007-12-17, 2:43 AM #19
Originally posted by Martyn:
people at uni who tried to read into everything and they seemed to

Actually what's funny is that Donnie Darko was really a ho-hum science fiction movie mashed up with a coming of age flick, having the saving grace of being completely incomprehensible without the directors' commentary. It was profoundly shallow but got away with it by not spelling everything out for you.
2007-12-17, 3:25 AM #20
I hate coming into threads and finding that all of my points have already been made, in this case Donnie Darko and how most people base their opinions on anime from Pokémon.

I don't take films overly seriously, except perhaps Pirates of the Caribbean seeing how much it makes me want to be a pirate :P
2007-12-17, 4:02 AM #21
I hate people who take that damn Dungeons and Dragons movie so seriously and then sit down around a table rolling dices, writing down on scrap pieces of paper, and talking like a bunch of fantasy freaks. I MEAN COME ON! If you really think you are some sort of elf, dwarf, or human, you need to get the **** out of the house and see the world! Freaking freaks! :suicide:


<.<

>.>

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2007-12-17, 4:08 AM #22
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Actually what's funny is that Donnie Darko was really a ho-hum science fiction movie mashed up with a coming of age flick, having the saving grace of being completely incomprehensible without the directors' commentary. It was profoundly shallow but got away with it by not spelling everything out for you.


What did the director's commentary say?
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2007-12-17, 4:12 AM #23
/me fires magic missle at jep
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2007-12-17, 4:27 AM #24
Originally posted by landfish:
/me fires magic missle at jep


Pew Pew Pew!

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2007-12-17, 5:46 AM #25
Originally posted by Jin:
I live my life according to the teachings of Ferris Bueller. :colbert:


Ferris Bueller is wise beyond his years
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2007-12-17, 6:34 AM #26
Originally posted by Jep:
Pew Pew Pew!



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2007-12-17, 6:54 AM #27
Good thing we all know zombie movies are all true
rrr-right?
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2007-12-17, 7:26 AM #28
Originally posted by genk:
Good thing we all know zombie movies are all true
rrr-right?
>.>


Yep, I'm one. :suicide:
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2007-12-17, 7:27 AM #29
/me ejects pants and chases jep
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2007-12-17, 7:56 AM #30
/me rolls his reflex check, hoping to miss.

:o
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2007-12-17, 7:58 AM #31
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
What did the director's commentary say?

The directors cut version of Donnie Darko actually explains things a bit by adding a bunch of scenes. One thing it shows are a bunch of pages from Grandma Death's book. :psyduck:
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2007-12-17, 8:37 AM #32
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Does the whole genre of "anime" count?


Completely agree.
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2007-12-17, 9:23 AM #33
I've been probably banned for 60 countries because of this, but Fight Club was really just an overrated book and even more overrated movie. Blah blah femininity blah blah masculinity blah blah terrorism blah blah high school elitists' favorite film/book blah blah soap. Still enjoyed watching it.

Also, the hype around Passion of the Christ was definitely one of the most annoying things ever this decade.

And either most of you haven't seen Cowboy Bebop or maybe you just suck beyond the boundaries of the universe. OH well.
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2007-12-17, 10:09 AM #34
"It's not about what. It could be that God stopped the bullets, he changed Coke into Pepsi, he found my ****in' car keys. You don't judge **** like this based on merit....What is significant is that I felt the touch of God." - Jules Winnfield

I think some of this quote (although it's about God, I just love Pulp Fiction so I wanted to throw it in here somewhere) kind of applies to the question at hand. Whether or not Donnie Darko means absolutely nothing, if someone gets a response or belief out of it, well, I guess it was deep/profound for them. The only problem comes when they hail it over your head and think that their take on the movie is the only correct one, in which case they just aren't open to the fact that movies and their messages are very subjective.
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2007-12-17, 1:31 PM #35
snakes on a plane.
2007-12-17, 1:55 PM #36
Yeah, those Snakes on a Plane discussion groups are way out of hand.
2007-12-17, 1:55 PM #37
The Da Vinci Code.

Ok, maybe not so much the movie but I hate how EVERYONE reads a work of fiction and reckons Brown claims it as fact.
nope.
2007-12-17, 2:06 PM #38
There's a disclaimer at the start of the book that says all the secret handshakes and stuff described in it are true.
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2007-12-17, 2:08 PM #39
Aye the organisations are real.

It's still like saying all of Tom Clancy's novels have happened.
nope.
2007-12-17, 3:09 PM #40
Originally posted by tonystockert:
snakes on a plane.


I'm so glad that internet fad died (at least I haven't seen it anywhere anymore) after people forgot about the movie.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
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