I say we get rid of the public schools. Why? Well, then only private schools would be left. Then with the influx students they could lower their prices. Also, their would be allot of competition in amongst the schools to make them allot better. People could use the money that they were originally paying in taxes to go to school. The poor people could be given vouchers, so they could have the opportunity to choose the schools they go to. I think it would not only lead to decreased government spending but also create better education. What do you think? Discuss.

Hell no, The nearest private school to me is 3 hours away. Aint no way I'm gonna drive 3 hours every morning compared to my 15 minutes to go to school. Besides, Private school suxors.

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Yeah no and I'll tell you why. Private schools have the ability to take away individuality. Private schools can basically do whatever the hell they want when it comes to forming rules, while public schools must deal with a school board. And I know a private school does too, but when the people on the private school board are all rich waspy bastards, there won't be any fairness.

Public schools are the way to go. Want to know why? Because they decide things with levies! Meaning the parents get to decide what happens to their kids.

And be quiet, I go to a private school. It's a college, not a high school, but it's private none-the-less. And to your comment about vouchers I say NO NO NO! I do not want vouchers. My parents are FAR too poor to pay for my schooling, so I have to take out loans. The only people in this country who ever really innovate are those who have had to work for what they have. People that start out poor and work their way up the ladder. The rich kids get things handed to them by their parents, so the achieve nothing. So now we're going to take the hard working characteristic away from the poor kids? I think not. Do you think Donald Trump would be where he is today if the government had given him everything on a silver platter? I think not.

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where i live private school teachers don't have to qualify as anything. the school could hire anyone on these boards and have them teach (although we know they wouldn't do that).

public schools conform to a curriculum and to what the public wants (usually).
i prefer public schools.

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You don't get it. If they had to accommodate for every one they wouldn't be like that. Right now private schools are like that because they’re primarily for the rich. If public ones were canceled, then new private schools would open and conform to how every one wants them. That’s the whole idea behind capitalism. If some one wants something some one's going to be sure to sell it. That way the schools that are open to individuality would prosper. Then you'd be left with public schools just better because of competition. They would also be more efficient, and you would have much more choice.

Why wouldn't they raise prices, seeing that there would be huge demand due to scarcity

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How about instead we just fire incompetant faculty?

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hmmm... food for thought.

i'm too much of a socialist though. the voucher thing would be a mess.

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1-Private schools aren't everywhere.

2-Private schools can only hold a small amount. They often have waiting lists and have the choice to allow certain students in under their opinion. They don't want "crappy" or "bad" students ruining their image.

3-Free education is greatly needed to improve society. An educated society is a better, harder-working, efficient society. A child should be able to have education available to him/her, not to be forced to find one. People should be introduced to learning, not spend time to "shop" for one.

4-Private schools can be racist, anti-semitic, uphold certain political views and so on.

5-If a school is crappy and doesn't want to improve, you can't really force them to improve. It's up to the school officals, not tax-payers. It's a private school, remember?

...and many more problems to your idea.



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Do you mean get rid of public schools, or convert them all into private? Simply getting rid of them would create something of a mass-education shortage, meaning the remaining private schools' prices would be astronomically high.

If you meant making all public schools privately owned, well privatisation can have some interesting effects. I think you're missing the point of the public school system. Under privatisation every school would become a competing business trying to maximise profits. The purpose of the public school system is to provide education to everyone, as without that regulation the education system would become ultra-competitve and inevitably elitist.

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...doesn't Britain have a large portion of their education facilities privatized? Aren't all high schools private?

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1-The would increase to meat the demand
2- They would get allot bigger because their would be more students to fund them
3- It's not free. There are things called taxes. Education takes up something like 50% of them. People deserve to be able to choose the schools they go to. Not every one wants their kids thought evolution.
4-And you don't have to go to the one's that are. You go to the ones that aren’t.
5- If a school is crappy it goes out of business because every one goes to a different one.

Molgrew: If they raised prices an other one would lower prices and get all of the students. It’s called competition.

Seriously guys wake up! Look around at society. Every thing works and gets better because of competition! Wal-Mart has low prices because other wise K-Mart or something else would drive it out of business. Intel keeps making better processors because every one would buy AMD if they didn't! That’s how capitalism works. Communism gives you no choice and every thing stays crappy and expensive because there is no reason to improve. With out competition we'd all be sitting on 486's now!

Do you really want to end up like that episode of The Simpsons where the redhead in the Chicago school system gets partial credit for answering 'Pepsi' during Pepsi Presents Fractions? Cos that's what mass-privatisation of the education system would do.

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I think not. If some one dosnen't get a good education in one school they'll go to another. It's not like Public schools are doing a good job.

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Obi_Kwiet, your economics is inherently flawed. I would explain the basics of supply and demand in a competitive market to you, but I cant think of a way to do it without a bunch of diagrams which I really cant be bothered drawing, uploading, etc.

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[This message has been edited by Spork (edited August 01, 2004).]

Kieren - nope, not all "high schools" (our equivalent is secondary school) are private, in fact very few are!

What might confuse you is the (frankly stupid) tag that private shools have here. They call them 'Public Schools'. Daft eh? I went to a state school (what you would call a public school!), and now attend one of the country's most prestigious universities, alongside a load of 'Public Schoolboys'. Most of them (not all) are tools. Daddy bought them lots of nice things, and pay for everything, so they spend all their un-earned pocket money on new clothes and posh drinks. They often play rubgy (union) and or row.

Most of the nicest, most honest people I've met there are those from a state school background - I know one lad that was so messed up from boarding school that he thought it was ok to email naked photos of himself to my girlffriend.

State/Public schools all the way folks!

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Uh... no. Increased demand causes increased prices.

[erm... yeah. What spork said.]

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Oh, come on Spork, its not like you've got anything better to do.

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Your main fallacy is that your comparing what should be an institution to inform and educate to an organization whose sole purpose is to make a profit. An additional fallacy lies in your belief that public schools are somehow unable to properly educate their students.

I'm curious -- are you enrolled in a private school, Obi-Kwiet?

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Public schools in the ghetto of Cleveland suck, because the mayor is an idiot, not because they're public schools. Replacing it with an expensive private school isn't going to help those people. Their monthly bill typically consists of: Food, bills, more food, and DirecTV. There is no room for private schooling.

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You wouldn't want to generalize or anything



Then what the hell is the differnece? If everyone goes to a priavate school, are they really private?



Private schools have to follow the same cirriculum as public school to meet state education standards.

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1-What, more schools opening? Schools aren't products. You can't put a big school anywhere. And how would they open a massive school facility to teach a thousand kids? Donations??

2-But private schools still would choose what students they want to accept. Many schools want to be renowned for their excellence. They are not going to just "expand." Havard isn't going to "expand."

3-What about the people who have a low-income and exempt from taxes? Don't the children should be given the chance for education, even if they can't afford private schools? And, how would the voucher system work?

And you can also choose what public school to go to. And if you, let's say, don't like evolution, you can always let your child miss that course due to religious reasons.

4-So, people would have to travel miles away? Public schools are placed so many people would have access to them under a somewhat "neutral" environment.

And private schools don't really follow goverment rules to be anti-semitic, anti-racist and so on. There is no guarantee. Even if there was a policy, how can you, as a parent, be sure?

5- So you are saying there should be a "rating" system instead of "standard" system. OK. What if there is no good, "standard" school available in your area that you depend on?

Schools aren't products. People don't move to school to school like "buying a better computer." Parents have to rely on a system where their children can easily go somewhere to learn without greatly interfering with their work/lifestyles. No one is going out to "shop" for schools or go to a schools great distance away.

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S = Supply
D = Demand
P = Price
Q = Quantity

The market will always head towards the equilibrium that is S = D.
S decreases because public schools have been closed, S moves to the left.
Result is a decrease in quantity from q1 to q2, and an increase in price from p1 to p2.

Economics doesnt get any simpler than that.

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w00h00! I homeschool too. I constantly listen to music as I do my homework.

Public schools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> private schools.

If it were up to me, all private schools would be closed and everyone would be forced to go to public schools.

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Just to clear this up: No to both.

If we took away public schools, wouldn't the private school just pretty much become like the public ones? What's the point? If you want to elminate government debt, get rid of those tax cuts. Or maybe crunch the defense budget just a little bit, we don't need $10038902560239865098164 missles or super space laser shooting thingies.

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So this means I buy when Dow hits 73, right?


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I'm only looking around at industries that have been greatly improved through capitalism, and competition. I don't need little diagrams to go to Wall-Mart and see all it's low prices it uses to compete against other companies with. Why couldn't schools operate just as well as the rest of the American economy? Granted it would require allot of planning to make the transition but I think it would be well worth it. I'm thinking that if the private schools are smarter it would allow for more government funds and big tax cuts.

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Public education isn't so much bad as it is inconsistent. In some states, it's absolutely horrendous (most of these have graduation rates of 70% or less), in others, 95% of the students walk away with a diploma and a strong curriculum provides challenging courses even for smart individuals. Going to a public school certainly is very different in Iowa, Nebraska or North Dakota than it is in states like South Carolina, New Mexico, Texas or Mississippi.

Another thing I want to talk about is people who attend private schools and frequently complain about the fact that they still have to pay taxes for public education. The fact of the matter is that education is expensive in general, and many lower class families would not be able to afford it. These families pay a few hundred dollars for education through their taxes and would have to invest thousands of dollars otherwise. Wealthier people basically pay the poorer folks through school. Isn't that sort of socialist? Yes, but it's public education we're talking about here - one of the fundamentals of a moden-day society.

I've always wondered why it's the governments responsibility to make sure every one is schooled. It seems to me that most parents are too obsessed with their stupid carriers to have some one stay home and be involved in their kids life. I guess school for them is just free daycare so they can go pursue their stupid carriers. I suppose since a large percentage of parents don't give to much care about their kids education anyway were probably stuck with public schools. Seems if a woman wanted to pursue her carrier she should just not get married. I guess every one wants every thing at others expense. Well we’ve become a nation of selfish idiots. The only way to get our kids educated is to force people to do it. Oh brother. Soon no-one will have kids and they’ll just abort them all because all they care about is having sex. Spain is dying off because of this.