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So... UFOs...
2008-02-01, 12:49 PM #41
watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hBM6JGSflg

really good new show. Cant see it in the UK.
2008-02-01, 12:51 PM #42
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
Haha Norad? Seriously? Like our radar technology can keep track of things that move far faster than any machine we make? Supposedly these 'things' only blip once or twice on radars.... Who knows...

If I had to bet my life on it right here and now, I would be more likely to bet that 'UFOs' are machines of our own creation that are being hid from the general public for sake of having an edge against other countries.... (or whatever country has these things vs the ones that dont)


Norad doesn't have one crappy little radar dish. They have a huge array of the most sophisticated radar tech. in the world. What they see they probably see with a sampling rate that could be considered real time.
2008-02-01, 12:54 PM #43
*GASP* those are places where ghost sightings are common too!
omnia mea mecum porto
2008-02-01, 1:00 PM #44
Actualy theres a very interesting "vague" science behind ghost hunting. Theres some very interesting stuff been captured by the more pragmatic groups that dont use mediums.
2008-02-01, 1:03 PM #45
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Norad doesn't have one crappy little radar dish. They have a huge array of the most sophisticated radar tech. in the world. What they see they probably see with a sampling rate that could be considered real time.


Don't you think we would build something that can fly through it undetected? The point in the arms race is not only to beat your opponent, but beat yourself. Make a radar thats good, make a plane thats better, make a radar to see the plane, make a better plane, and so on and so on.
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2008-02-01, 1:05 PM #46
Originally posted by The_Reafis:
Actualy theres a very interesting "psuedo-science" behind ghost hunting.

Fixed that for you.


KOP, that's not how the system works.

[Edit - Also, if they're going to bring craft that can fly super-dooper fast, undetected by radar, why can't they invent an off-switch for their external lights? If they're so undetectable, why is Jim Bob seeing it so easily when not trying to compare the sounds of tornadoes to a train?]
omnia mea mecum porto
2008-02-01, 1:07 PM #47
Yeah they work on bigger ways to kill things first.
2008-02-01, 1:33 PM #48
Tornadoes DO sound like trains!
Warhead[97]
2008-02-01, 1:34 PM #49
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
Haha, you can find the documents on government websites if you know where to look.


This statement implies that you do know where to look. If the documents are on websites, that implies that these documents have a URL. Now put those two sentences together and act accordingly.
Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse?
2008-02-01, 9:05 PM #50
Originally posted by Emon:
Oh yes, the government did have a real program for investigating UFOs. Guess what, they never found anything.


There were a lot of shortcomings in the Blue Book project from the beginning. It was under staffed and under funded, and the purpose of the project has been questioned, considering some of the absurd conclusions they reached. And even with their enthusiastic attempt to provide a rational explanation to anything that came their way, they still ended up with around 700 or so unsolved reports. I'm not saying that proves anything, just that they didn't do their job well.
And after the project was shut down, its head scientist went on to become a leading UFO researcher. :tinfoil:

Originally posted by Emon:
The vast majority of UFO cases have been closed. They're usually natural phenomenon or known artificial phenomenon, like artificial satellites, aircraft, or some combination of whatever else.


The vast majority haven't been investigated. As for the cases apparently closed by Blue Book, their explanations vary far and wide from what was actually reported. Yes, a lot of sightings are satellites and aircraft and even the reflection of lightbulbs on windows. But the explanations provided by Blue Book aren't the final verdict, and I would go as far to say most of their conclusions should be thrown out.

Originally posted by Emon:
For the few cases that are left open, there is hardly enough evidence to think they are being piloted by beings from another planet.


You're absolutely right. However, it is enough to suggest that there's something being seen and captured on film that doesn't fit conventional explanation. Stating the obvious ftw.

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You want to be scientific, you say, but your posts reek of massive confirmation bias.


Yours aren't much better. Where's your counter argument? "The government said it was so QED"?

Originally posted by The_Reafis:
90% I'd say of UFO sightings are rubbish to be honest. Even more so for abductions.


Yes, most sightings probably are rubbish. But it's not like looking for a silver frisbee in a sea of bull****. You've got to realise that at the beginning, before the media jumped all over it, that there were honest sightings of unexplained stuff in the sky, before "flying saucer" and "roswell" polluted the vernacular. Now, however, people either have that notion locked in their heads that UFOs must be aliens, or that anyone that even utters the syllables must be a fruitcake.
As for abductions, you need to make the distinction between abductee and contactee. Contactees are those people that say sexy aliens came from outerspace to have sex with them, or tell them they need to save the earth, and so on. All these people are nutbars and should be ignored.
As for the abductees, there's undoubtably an issue there. I'm not saying aliens actually abduct people - it's something that really doesn't make sense. But abductees are usually the people that become deepy affected by what they say happens to them. They go to sleep feeling fine, everything normal, and wake up having experienced something truely horrifying. A nightmare, by all contemporary standards, that they can't forget. Others simply realise they've 'lost' some time, and either through hypnosis or flashbacks they recount the ordeal. Now what mechanism could have an ordinary person to to sleep and wake up scared of the world?

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My problem is that if your going to travel all that way to buzz people and possibly abduct why go to America?... Of course that could explain the number of supposed abductions... They've been trying to find an intelligent one :)


Sightings of objects all shapes and sizes have been reported on all continents for at least the last sixty years. Abduction claims have been made on all continents, although only in the last forty or so years.
But think about this - if UFOs are piloted craft, and they've been doing this for sixty years without just coming down and saying "sup" they probably don't want to be seen. So if they were going to pick up a cow or a person or a shopping trolley, they'd probably rather do it in a less populated area. In my recollection there have been very few, if any, reports of abductions in city areas. Not to say there haven't been sightings. Lots of sightings in city areas. I guess the aliens like the pretty lights.

Final notes:
I consider that UFOs and abduction phenomena are two seperate issues.
Not all witnesses or abductees are "believers" before their sighting/probing.
Greys are actually using us to test their latest skin care products.
2008-02-01, 9:24 PM #51
Originally posted by Jin:
Yours aren't much better. Where's your counter argument? "The government said it was so QED"?

No, that's not at all my argument. I'm still waiting for some evidence. Burden of proof is on AoEJedi. "Google it" doesn't count.
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