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All aboard the Obama train!
2008-02-20, 1:38 PM #1
So with Obama and his rapetrain in full force (10 states in a row!), let's just for s**ts and giggles say that he wins the Democratic nomination. My question for you is, McCain or Obama?
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2008-02-20, 1:42 PM #2
Ron Paul. Except. Damnit. War mongering liberal or socialist liberal? Tough choice.
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2008-02-20, 2:18 PM #3
You forgot the neither in your poll. If it comes down to those two, I'm not voting for either one of them.
Life is beautiful.
2008-02-20, 2:19 PM #4
Ah, American politics...

"I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid."
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2008-02-20, 2:19 PM #5
You forget the MANTRAIN.

ALL ABOARD?!
2008-02-20, 2:22 PM #6
Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
You forgot the neither in your poll. If it comes down to those two, I'm not voting for either one of them.


Aww someone is still bitter over Ron Paul being too big of a nutbar to be nominated.
2008-02-20, 2:24 PM #7
McCain apparently doesn't make chips, therefore Obama.
nope.
2008-02-20, 2:34 PM #8
i approve of the colours used in this poll
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2008-02-20, 2:39 PM #9
If Hilary I'll vote McCain.
If Obama, I'll vote Obama.
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2008-02-20, 2:39 PM #10
Originally posted by Detty:
i approve of the colours used in this poll


Hah, I didn't notice until you posted.
2008-02-20, 2:57 PM #11
McCain, because he hasn't called my house three consecutive times for stupid political crap, unlike Obama.

I prefer McCain but I'd say either wouldn't be too horrible. As long as Clinton is out I'm fine.
2008-02-20, 3:03 PM #12
Originally posted by Martyn:
You forget the MANTRAIN.

ALL ABOARD?!


YESSIR

/ME RIDES
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2008-02-20, 3:08 PM #13
Originally posted by Rob:
Aww someone is still bitter over Ron Paul being too big of a nutbar to be nominated.


Thank goodness for that too. Didn't like him either. Honestly I wasn't crazy over any of the candidates, but I really don't like Obama or McCain.
Life is beautiful.
2008-02-20, 3:15 PM #14
Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
If Hilary I'll vote McCain.
If Obama, I'll vote Obama.


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"Well, if I am not drunk, I am mad, but I trust I can behave like a gentleman in either
condition."... G. K. Chesterton

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2008-02-20, 3:24 PM #15
I'm on board for the if Clinton -> McCain, if Obama -> Obama. Considering She'll have to win 2 big states to even keep up with Obama's lead so far, it's looking dim for her.

Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
Thank goodness for that too. Didn't like him either. Honestly I wasn't crazy over any of the candidates, but I really don't like Obama or McCain.


Any particular reason? I'm not trying say you're wrong, it's just that I'd love to give you reasons to go in my candidate's direction if you happen to have any particularly misinformed understandings.
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2008-02-20, 3:40 PM #16
I'll be voting Libertarian, most likely. But if I had to choose, I'd pick Obama over McCain.
2008-02-20, 3:46 PM #17
I don't really understand why internet people hate Clinton and love Obama, their policies are really pretty similar, same can't be said of either of them and McCain

Is it just the perception of honesty and forthrightness in Obama and McCain? Is it because Hillary Clinton said mean things about videogames? Is it her nagging voice?
2008-02-20, 3:59 PM #18
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Any particular reason? I'm not trying say you're wrong, it's just that I'd love to give you reasons to go in my candidate's direction if you happen to have any particularly misinformed understandings.


I would define myself as conservative, and there wasn't really any particularly conservative candidate in the republican running this year, and McCain is definitely NOT conservative. If I remember right your an Obama supporter, and while everyone is free to choose who they want to support, I don't support many of his policies either.

Guess this year in the presidential elections I'm just out of luck.
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2008-02-20, 4:07 PM #19
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;898749']I don't really understand why internet people hate Clinton and love Obama, their policies are really pretty similar, same can't be said of either of them and McCain


Because Hillary has a healthcare system that compares to that of a communist?
Think while it's still legal.
2008-02-20, 4:12 PM #20
Yeah
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D E A T H
2008-02-20, 4:12 PM #21
Universal Healthcare is a good thing, but let's not have that debate again.

The reason Clinton isn't popular on internets is because people want a change from the Bush/Clinton dominance of the last 20 years. Obama is also charismatic enough to repair foreign relations, because trust me - you need it.

Nobody likes America, you are the annoying kid at school who kicks up a fuss and is generally rather idiotic. You need a charismatic leader to change that, policies are actually pretty secondary to that.
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2008-02-20, 4:15 PM #22
Originally posted by SAJN:
Because Hillary has a healthcare system that compares to that of a communist?


Well yeah she is a democrat
2008-02-20, 4:16 PM #23
Originally posted by Detty:
Universal Healthcare is a good thing, but let's not have that debate again.

The reason Clinton isn't popular on internets is because people want a change from the Bush/Clinton dominance of the last 20 years. Obama is also charismatic enough to repair foreign relations, because trust me - you need it.

Nobody likes America, you are the annoying kid at school who kicks up a fuss and is generally rather idiotic. You need a charismatic leader to change that, policies are actually pretty secondary to that.


Good points, thx u Detty
2008-02-20, 4:16 PM #24
Originally posted by Detty:
Universal Healthcare is a good thing, but let's not have that debate again.

The reason Clinton isn't popular on internets is because people want a change from the Bush/Clinton dominance of the last 20 years. Obama is also charismatic enough to repair foreign relations, because trust me - you need it.

Nobody likes America, you are the annoying kid at school who kicks up a fuss and is generally rather idiotic. You need a charismatic leader to change that, policies are actually pretty secondary to that.

Actually I think most people on the interbutts don't like Clinton because of her inane policies and her idiotic rewinds in the debates. One namely policy is her career-long backing up of Jack Thompson and her want to ban violent video games, period.
D E A T H
2008-02-20, 4:35 PM #25
I thought most people around communities like us still remember her from that Hot Coffee GTA debacle.
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2008-02-20, 4:52 PM #26
Alan keyes is not on this motherf*cker.
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2008-02-20, 4:56 PM #27
Given the option, I'd vote for the crazy Huckster, but since he doesn't have a snowballs chance, I'd vote for McCain.

If McCain were to lose, I would hope and pray it is to Obama, not Clinton. I thought I was finally rid of her when she was banished to New York.
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2008-02-20, 5:50 PM #28
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;898749']I don't really understand why internet people hate Clinton and love Obama, their policies are really pretty similar, same can't be said of either of them and McCain


I personally put some serious weight behind Obama's Government Openness campaign.

As for McCain, his history of occasional liberal "insanity" seems to me to indicate that while he might not be the most practically minded presidential candidate, he is more aware and willing to act on issues he deems important, most of which historically have shown themselves to be reasonably and morally fortified, if not always agreeable positions. He also seems to be the only candidate who seems to understand what we got ourselves into in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My biggest problem with Hillary Clinton is that she has shown herself dedicated to the status-quo. Her quoted policies certainly stack up reasonably to Obama's, but I personally don't but much faith in the "issues" or candidate's proposed "policies". I put much more stock in perceived and demonstrated integrity, insight and understanding into domestic and foreign affairs, and leadership and diplomatic ability.

I can't honestly say that Hilary Clinton would be a BAD president, but I think she would be inferior to both Obama and McCain, or even to her own husband's legacy. Ron Paul I honestly think would have been a BAD president, and I'm pretty certain Romney and Huckabee would have both been mistakes. Still, any of the three front runners will be a step up...

Also, just because I want to:

:P
GORE in '08!
The world elected him, we just have to accept him!
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condition."... G. K. Chesterton

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2008-02-20, 6:00 PM #29
As Detty has pointed out before and I agree with him entirely, Gore is a smart man and he's waiting until next election to run again, so that way he can get things done.

The next administration is just going to spend all their time cleaning up Bush's mess.
nope.
2008-02-20, 6:02 PM #30
Don't be afraid of the government. Be afraid of MANBEARPIG!

Quote:
The next administration is just going to spend all their time cleaning up Bush's mess.


I have doubts about that.
2008-02-20, 7:14 PM #31
Originally posted by Chewbubba:
Given the option, I'd vote for the crazy Huckster, but since he doesn't have a snowballs chance, I'd vote for McCain.

If McCain were to lose, I would hope and pray it is to Obama, not Clinton. I thought I was finally rid of her when she was banished to New York.


I pretty much agree with you. Both Clinton and Obama are going to be equally bad for the country but at least Obama isn't Hillary. McCain has such a spotty record on so many issues but what can you do.

The Democrats really didn't run anyone promissing this time and the problem with the republicans was there were too many good ones to choose from but now we're left with one of the "worst". I'm seriously just looking forward to the '12 race.
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2008-02-20, 7:36 PM #32
The 5 to 24 liberal to conservative ratio on massassi is not surprising.
Wikissassi sucks.
2008-02-20, 7:40 PM #33
Well, college-bound young people tend to lean liberal.

It's somewhat depressing elections are turning from "I want to this man/woman to be president" to "I'll do whatever to make sure this man/woman doesn't win." If that makes any sense.
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2008-02-20, 7:42 PM #34
RISD seems like it would be a Clinton campus, amirite? (No seriously, is it?) Brown seems like more of an Obama campus, and not just because of it's name.
Think while it's still legal.
2008-02-20, 7:53 PM #35
I'm not sure really. I would definitely agree both would lean left, seeing one is an fine arts school and the other is an old university in RI. There are students from RISD attending courses in Brown and Brown students involved here at RISD, so the line gets even more blurry.

Brown also has a book cover in human skin, and I have to check it out some time. But that's an unrelated topic.
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2008-02-20, 7:57 PM #36
Do you by chance know a man (some may say woman) that goes by the name of Greg Koz-i-tack (I can't spell that last name) ?
Think while it's still legal.
2008-02-20, 8:00 PM #37
Originally posted by Detty:
Obama is also charismatic enough to repair foreign relations, because trust me - you need it.
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Why? China isn't going to be impressed by liberal policies, although they might be a bit happier if we stopped butting into everything. Russia is being kind of annoying, but their only real claim to fame is their oil reserves. All the little corrupt countries like to pick at our faults to distract from their own heinous human rights violations. And Europe... is simply Europe. It's kind of in a state of equilibrium. For now. It's strong socialist tenancies will continue to bog down its economy, so while large, it's sort of fading into the back stage for the first time in several thousand years. America needs to sorry about Asia right now.

Something needs to be done about health care, but I wish it wasn't going totally nationalized. There are too many pointlessly expensive operations and treatments that extend people's lives only marginally, and a total privatization will make everyone think they deserve every single possible treatment that medicine can give them. I'd like to see someone come up with a plan that provides a basic level of health care for everyone, while maintaining some sort of free market system going to keep the doctors on their toes. The last thing we need is something like Brittan's health care system. We need more people to take a good hard look at the issue and some up with actual answers instead of lumping everything into one oversimplified catagory so they can rally the herds of morons with sound bytes.
2008-02-20, 8:00 PM #38
Originally posted by SAJN:
Do you by chance know a man (some may say woman) that goes by the name of Greg Koz-i-tack (I can't spell that last name) ?


Greg Kozatek I assume? I don't know him personally but I have heard of him.
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2008-02-20, 8:17 PM #39
Obama, because I actually like him. I'm sure Clinton would make a fine president, but I wouldn't feel as excited to vote for her. It would be more like 2004, where I didn't really like Kerry but voted for him because the party he represented had positions more in line with my own. I also don't want to sit through another four (or even eight) years of Monica jokes/ similar scandals/ purposeless congressional investigations.

McCain is an alright guy, and I wish he'd won the nomination in 2000, but I find myself agreeing with him less and less as he continues campaigning.
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2008-02-20, 8:23 PM #40
Don't vote for McCain because of who he is. Vote for him because of who his VP is (whomever it may be). McCain is one sickly looking candidate.
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