http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html

Maybe it's cuz he was black.

But really, this seems sad.

Abortion of justice?

Abortions... in America?

Let them roll once again, heer Hugh Laurie!

Al Sharpton looks so funny in that picture

It's too bad all his friends were criminals or else maybe the judge would have believed them (i assume about when they said the officers didn't identify themselves).

It's also too bad that some officers feel the need to fire 31 times. Calm down, man. Whether you're in the wrong or not, I highly doubt the people in the car were still threats after the first magazine.

If they didn't identify themselves as police then WTF did they think would happen, morons? If some strangers draw weapons on you in normal clothes and don't say a word, you try to get away. If that is in fact what happened then these officers got away with murder.

Although if someone is standing in front of your car and points a gun at you, trying to run them over is probably about the dumbest thing you can do. No, it's definitely the dumbest thing. You're going to get shot. Stupid.

And then your car is going to get hailed with bullets when rolls to a stop, to make sure the occupants don't bust out shooting.

Wasn't one of the accused officers black too?

Nope. Fire until the threat is gone. For how often most cops go to the range the entire first magazine probably missed. Also that is probably only two magazines. 50 shots is not murder. 1 shot is murder, 50 shots is being safe, be it self defense or murder.



Nope again. Smartest thing you can do is lay to the seat and floor it. Most handgun bullets will not travel through the engine block. You don't have a better option. What, return fire? Maybe WHILE you run them over, but sitting up and trying to shoot back will get you shot.

But you know, we have a two paragraph description of the events. Let's go ahead and blame people.

Which is very inconvenient for people like Al Sharpton when claiming this was all a matter of race. So the black officer was a like a "white officer" because he was corrupted. Infact, there were TWO officers that were black and one was of black/hispanic mix. Interesting. To add to this, certain eyewitnesses of the club were paid by Sharpton for their "support" so the credibility of their statements should be debated, no?

For all we know, the detectives MAY HAVE presented themselves as police, and the men in the car just claim otherwise in order for this high-level case to be in their favor. It's hard to prove if the detectives yelled anything because there was nothing recorded, but you can't ignore the fact that the statement "police opened fire without identifying themselves" can go a long way. There were so many things that MAY HAVE happened and events that MAY HAVE NOT really happened, piecing the whole scene is like putting together a jig-saw puzzle with missing parts (cliche, I know).

The police conduct there was very questionable but you can't deny Bell's actions were questionable as well. Sean Bell and his friends, due to being involved in an argument with a woman inside the strip club, were reported to have mentioned briefly about getting guns. Not only that, Bell and his friends did get in the car and floored it, and they did ram a police vehicle. This may have been due to spotting unidentifiable men with guns approaching or on the other hand, maybe was a really, really poor judgment stemming from being intoxicated (Bell was drunk) and/or had something to hide from the police.

One of the detectives seem to have went batsh*t insane when it comes to firing guns and really ventilated the vehicle. Not only that, the bullets fired went everywhere and could have easily hurt any innocent bystander in the vicinity.

The ACLU is just raping the legacy of the civil rights movement for a little power over uneducated people who can't tell the difference. I guess technically they're kind of victimizing blacks today by standing in the way of keeping law and order in black communities.

I guess that's tragic irony in the whole thing. For a case that is suppose to pierce the heart of police corruption in NYC, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more "corruption" on the side of Al Sharpton and his people.

Ahaha oh wow

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I remember when this story first broke. It was lol worthy back then. A bunch of black guys in a van try to run over a black cop, because white guys are racist.

I am aware of this. I'm sure that's only two magazines, what I'm saying is the threat should have been gone before the need to reload arose. Should.



I was assuming that this was a car, not a humvee, and this also wasn't a battlefield. I'm sure the cop was standing up, which means he was probably shooting down into the windshield, if he was about to be rammed, and probably at pretty close range. I'm saying if someone jumps in front of your car with a gun pointed at you in front of a nightclub, maybe just doing whatever they want is a good idea.

Come on, everyone on this forum should know which side I am usually on, but the truth is incidents like this only really happen when at least one person and usually both sides screw up.

Edit: If it was a van I guess it's a different story a bit, but the same reasoning still applies as far as doing whatever they want is concerned.

Maybe this will be more illuminating

Yeah if those damn civil rights leaders would just let the cops alone everything would be peachy

No, Spook is right. Next time you're in your car, go a little crazy and get in the position he explained. You'll see why he said it's the "safest" thing to do. I say that in quotes because it's involving a firefight, which significantly lowers the amount of "safe" in the area.

I see what you mean. All humans regularly try to run people down. Part to whole fallacy FTW.

Obviously there will be bad cops. And there needs to be both inside and outside scrutiny of the police to take care of that. However, when people misconstrue everything they possibly can just for attention that actually does less than nothing. It obfuscates attempts to bring real police infractions to light.

Sigh.

You know, I expect this kinda stuff, but it still just makes me die a little inside everytime I see these threads.

You are failing to see my point. Also, notice that the only evidence is in my favor, as the guy did indeed get shot. A lot of times.

If roads were private this would never happen.
(Cookiee to whoever gets the reference)

Wasn't part of the problem that they didn't know it was a cop?

Because if it hadn't been, just doing what he said might not have been enough to keep them from getting shot anyway.

They claimed the plained clothes officers didn't identify themselves..? What a lie.. that was probably the first thing they did before the guns where even out.

It would be stupid for them not to identify themselves because if you ask me that puts their lives in more risk.

damn you CNN I didn't want to know the how the Spain GP ended

So whether or not the guy was a cop makes a difference? If the guy hadn't been a cop, and had intended to just shoot the guy, what would the difference have been? The result would have been the same, he'd have gotten shot and killed.

Anyway, the point is, everyone screwed up, it was all just a big dumb screwup, and now the guy is dead.

So you think being concerned that we have police watch dogs that aren't self-interested is a bad thing? Or are you just acting sarcastic because you don't have anything to say but like to feel all fuzzy and superior?

basically it boils down to weather or not the cops identified themselves. if they didnt, then what happened was pretty much murder. if they did then they really didnt do anything wrong. and i seriously doubt race had much to do with it, if it had been a white guy that got shot, then for some reason i dont think the Al sharpton's and jesse jackson's of the world would have batted an eyelash.

Tehe weather. I don't nitpick much but it gave me the mental image of cops with a weather controling machine.

come a little closer i have something for you...:ninja:

I agree with you in reference to this case, but I'm telling you, what I described is the best option (if fighting is concerned). If you assess the situation and find that theres no reason to fight, obviously you are not going to ram them with your multiple thousands of pounds weapon.

Even in a small sedan, laying down greatly decreases your chances of getting shot, primarily because most people will continue to shoot through the windshield. Try it, if you lay down, you will be concealed, and somewhat covered, even from a standing enemy to your 12:00. Granted, it's not "hard" cover, but it does increase your chances. There really is no better fighting option.

Also, I don't think the dude laid down. If he had, he might still be alive, or at least a little more whole.

Only the "wow" was commented at you, and trust me, that's all I care to say. Just wow.

I don't dispute the fact that if it was a firefight, that could have been the best course of action. (although I myself, being 6'3", cannot duck in most normal sized cars. I'd die.)

I picked up on that the first time. I'm guessing the reason you don't care to elaborate is that you're full of crap, and discussing topics like these with things like reasoning and facts would mean that you'd have to get off your high horse.

Why is half the arguing around here over how the other side doesn't argue correctly?

Because it's Massassi.

Because you're doing it wrong!

I'm the one on the high horse here?

Wow. Obi, you sound like me 3 years ago.

Not a good thing.

what are you guys arguing about? i dont feel like reading through the arguments about the arguments to figure it out.