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2008-07-02, 8:39 AM #1
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June 27, 2008
Whitehaven Journal
Take Out the Trash Precisely, Now. It's the Law.
By SARAH LYALL

WHITEHAVEN, England — The citizens of Whitehaven try, really they do. They separate out their cans, their paper, their cardboard and their glass, and they recycle them all. They compost. They jump up and down on their trash to cram it into their government-issued garbage cans, and they put the trash out for collection at exactly 7 a.m., twice a month.

But when Gareth Corkhill, a bus driver, was fined $215 — and given a further $225 fine and a criminal record when he failed to pay — for leaving his garbage can lid slightly ajar this spring, Whitehaven's residents banded together in dismay. They raised the money to pay the fine, and they began to complain.

"I consider the fine against Mr. Corkhill to be a matter of injustice, really, and as a Christian minister I'm required to speak out against injustice," declared the Rev. John Bannister, the rector of Whitehaven, a seaside town in Cumbria, in the far northwest. Referring to the garbage cans residents here use, he said, "To be given a criminal record for leaving your wheelie bin open by three inches has, I think, really gone beyond the bounds of responsible behavior."

Across Europe, residents are struggling to adjust to a new era of garbage rules. Britain, particularly, is in the midst of a trash crisis, with dwindling landfill space and one of Europe's poorest recycling records. Threatened with steep fines if they dump too much trash, local governments around the country are imposing strict regimens to force residents to produce less and recycle more.

Many now collect trash every other week, instead of every week. They restrict households to a limited amount of garbage, and refuse to pick up more. They require that garbage be put out only at strict times, reject whole boxes of recyclables that contain the odd nonrecyclable item and employ enforcement officers who issue warnings and impose fines for failure to comply.

In an era of dwindling environmental resources, garbage-heavy societies like Britain's are under growing pressure to change their profligate ways. "These are challenging times, and the U.K. is behind the game when it comes to relying on landfills," said Beverley Parr, a spokeswoman for the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. Or, as Ian Curwen, a spokesman for Copeland Borough Council, which encompasses Whitehaven, said: "Ultimately as a country, we have to do more. We can't just keep producing and throwing things away."

But Britons do not like being told what to do. Encouraged by anti-government newspapers, they particularly resent government meddling, as they see it, in such intimate matters as the contents of their garbage cans. As regulations get more stringent and enforcement more robust, there have been reports across the country of incensed residents shouting and throwing trash at garbage collectors, illegally dumping and burning excess garbage, and even surreptitiously tossing trash in — or stealing — their neighbors' garbage cans.

"It's like something out of 'Mad Max,' " Paul Nicholls, a resident of Cannock, near Birmingham, told the newspaper The Guardian recently, describing the free-for-all in his town at garbage-collection time. "Every man for himself, scavenging for an extra bin."

The government says the new regulations are necessary if Britain is to adjust to the changing times. Along with the rest of Europe, Britain has been ordered to reduce the waste it puts in landfills — by 2015, to 50 percent of what it was in 1995 — or face untold millions of dollars in European Union fines.

That means that people have to completely rethink their relationship to their refuse, said Paul Bettison, chairman of the environment board of the Local Government Association.

"It's a sad thing to have to shatter people's illusions, but gone are the days when we could put all our rubbish and junk in a big bag and overnight the fairy would come and take it away, and that would be the end of it," Mr. Bettison said. "The rubbish fairy is dead."

The twice-a-month collection regime, now in use in more than half the country, is particularly unpopular and became a contentious issue in recent local elections, in which the ruling Labor Party was trounced by its opponents. Among other things, said Doretta Cocks, who runs the 22,000-member Campaign for Weekly Waste Collection, having infrequent collections creates a health hazard, what with the smell, the maggots and the rats.

"It's supposed to be environmentally friendly, but it's not," Mrs. Cocks said. "How can it be environmentally friendly to have two weeks' worth of rubbish in your house?"

Whitehaven provides many of its homeowners with an array of recycling bins as well as government-regulation wheelie bins that are often modest in size, to say the least, holding perhaps four black garbage bags.

Into these they are expected to stuff their two weeks' worth of garbage.

"My bin's always full," said a 62-year-old Whitehaven resident, who says that he can force five bags in there if he jumps on them vigorously enough. He is engaged in a running battle with the garbage collectors. Once he put an extra bag of trash on top of his bin; they refused to pick it up and left the garbage from the now-ripped bag sprawled on the street. Once, when he failed to close his lid properly, he received a "nasty note saying it was overloaded," he said.

The note was followed by a sticker of shame affixed to the bin announcing that he was violating local garbage laws. The man, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is afraid of running afoul of the authorities, says he now regularly takes his extra trash out to an empty field and burns it.

Ms. Parr, the environmental department spokeswoman, said that in 1997 Britain recycled just 7 percent of its waste, compared with 33 percent now. (More than 60 percent of its waste ends up in landfills, compared with 55 percent for the United States in 2006.) Britain is poised to experiment with programs under which households would pay according to how much garbage they threw out, just as they pay for water or electricity.

Under one idea, people's bins would be fitted with microchips, enabling local councils to record the weight or volume of garbage per household. Although such bins are used already in other European countries, even the prospect has critics in Britain muttering about Big Brother and creeping taxation.

In Whitehaven, the residents are annoyed enough about the rules they already have.

Claire Corkhill, whose husband received the fine for their open bin, is still recovering from the indignity of having two uniformed garbage enforcement officers, or "garbage police," as they are known locally, show up at her house.

She said they were wearing protective vests. "My sister is a police officer, so we thought it was a joke, to be honest."

Mr. Curwen, the local council spokesman, said the Corkhills had failed to respond to several warnings. "They got a sticker, and then a letter, and then another letter saying, 'Would you like us to come round and discuss your waste situation with you, because we need to reduce our land filling and the fines are quite steep,' " he said.

Mr. Curwen said that people in similar situations — unable to close their bins because of too much garbage — should telephone the council. "We can give you tips on recycling and reducing waste," he said.

Mr. Bettison of the Local Government Association said there would always be some people who needed extra prodding.

"To encourage people to do something, you start off by asking them 'Please,' " he said. "Then you say 'Pretty please.' But if they don't respond to carrots, you have to move a little more along the scale that has carrots on one end and sticks on the other. You have to make it a little more difficult for them not to recycle."


is this **** for real? i know some cities in the us regulate garbage heavily, but not THIS heavily.
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2008-07-02, 8:42 AM #2
We're from the government and we're here to help!

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2008-07-02, 8:46 AM #3
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/world/europe/27garbage.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

It's in the NYTimes, so it's not bull****. Sadly. :(
2008-07-02, 9:21 AM #4
No, it's all true. Luckily Iz and I are pretty good at recycling (we definitely recycle more than we put in the 'ordinary' bins) and we're also quite good at trying to buy things that don't have too much packaging. The fortnightly collection is not a big deal to us, but to my sister it's a pain because of NAPPIES for my (nearly one year old) niece.
2008-07-02, 9:29 AM #5
its true. we live in fear of the garbage men/council.

I hope they get aids :(
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2008-07-02, 9:39 AM #6
I find it ironic that even with all the laws, the US still puts less into the landfill than Britain.
2008-07-02, 9:44 AM #7
yes, i thought that too when reading the article.

talk about a disposable society :P
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2008-07-02, 9:48 AM #8
The rubbish fairy is dead? :(
2008-07-02, 10:15 AM #9
Har England.

It honestly not near that bad north of the border, and we all recycle to acertain extent.

Go council bins and weekly collection things.

Also some of the article has to be wrong I reckon seeing as how they twist some of it.

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niformed garbage enforcement officers, or "garbage police," as they are known locally, show up at her house.


I'm fairly sure they're actually known as the rubbish police. :P
nope.
2008-07-02, 10:36 AM #10
The main issue of course is that people will just use someone else's bin.
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2008-07-02, 10:36 AM #11
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I find it ironic that even with all the laws, the US still puts less into the landfill than Britain.


Did you draw that conclusion from the article? It says they produce the most in the EU, but are we actually lower than Britain? I just can't fathom that.
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2008-07-02, 10:41 AM #12
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Did you draw that conclusion from the article? It says they produce the most in the EU, but are we actually lower than Britain? I just can't fathom that.

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[quote=From The Article](More than 60 percent of its waste ends up in landfills, compared with 55 percent for the United States in 2006.)[/quote]
2008-07-02, 10:51 AM #13
We've got a lot of country folk who can burn and/or compost trash...that could be why.
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2008-07-02, 11:03 AM #14
In percentage, but not in volume - we're not THAT bad! ;)
2008-07-02, 11:13 AM #15
I know I should recycle, but we don't have a nifty box for it and everything just gets shoved inside big black bags. I don't even know when the rubbish gets picked up, but someone takes it out. Or at least, I assume they do.

Edit: Not that I actually make much crap except for bacon packaging and glass jars.
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2008-07-02, 11:56 AM #16
Tony your sister is hot.
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2008-07-02, 12:28 PM #17
Originally posted by - Tony -:
I know I should recycle, but we don't have a nifty box for it and everything just gets shoved inside big black bags. I don't even know when the rubbish gets picked up, but someone takes it out. Or at least, I assume they do.

Edit: Not that I actually make much crap except for bacon packaging and glass jars.


You only have one bin?

We've all got seperate ones for general waste, organic waste and paper/plastics.
nope.
2008-07-02, 12:33 PM #18
Aye. We do too. Even in't grim North.
2008-07-02, 12:55 PM #19
run for office!
get friends to campaign with you!
change things!






oh wait, you're not america!
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2008-07-02, 3:28 PM #20
Every time I think of England I think of enormous, overbearing government. I used to think it might be nice to live their, but the thought of big brother watching me is a little unnerving.
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2008-07-02, 3:35 PM #21
Originally posted by Baconfish:
You only have one bin?

We've all got seperate ones for general waste, organic waste and paper/plastics.

We probably should. But I don't know where it is.

Originally posted by Ruthven:
Tony your sister is hot.

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2008-07-02, 3:36 PM #22
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2008-07-02, 3:36 PM #23
My town has implemented the same garbage system with the same garbage stickers and garbage gestapo. Two bins, organic and waste. Every year our taxes go up and the infrastructure gets a little worse. I wish I still lived out in the country where I could burn my garbage.

It has nothing to do with landfills getting full. Maybe it does in Britain but it sure as hell doesn't here. It's all about our local government wanting the Ontario hemp crowd to polish their doorknobs. Our mayor lives in a condo in another town for Christ's sake.

The recycling part is the most enraging bit. 80% of the waste gets put into a landfill anyway, but of course when they talk about cutting garbage by 50% they don't include that statistic. And where's the money going from selling our recyclables? It's sure not going into lowering taxes. The same incompetent c*** mayor has mismanaged our town into a 200% increase in civic spending over the Alberta average (not including infrastructure - the money's literally going into her purse)
2008-07-02, 5:23 PM #24
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I find it ironic that even with all the laws, the US still puts less into the landfill than Britain.

That's a percentage of waste generated, I'd have a guess, could be wrong, that on average a US household generates more than that of a UK one. So maybe a smaller percentage of the total waste goes into landfill, I'd still bet that that smaller percentage was still more than that in the UK.

One thing about the UK and landfills too, I read an article (spent 20 minutes trying to find it, couldn't) that talked about the use of Incineration to get rid of rubbish that would otherwise go in landfill. The UK is way way behind other places in the world including the US when it comes to using incinerators to not only burn the rubbish but generate electric. So if the UK actually decided to put some effort into that I'm sure the % of rubbish going in to landfill would go down quite a bit. (There are other issues to worry about however due to the toxic gas produced but that's mostly been sorted I believe).

As for the whole UK recycling thing, I'm (sorta) proud to say that when I was living in the UK, my local area, Daventry District, part of Northamptonshire, recycled more than 50% of it's rubbish and was the best in the UK for recycling :D

still...then I moved to London and Tower Hamlets....which is (or at least was) the worst....

One thing I've noticed now in Switzerland is that although there are plenty of places to recycle glass, I haven't found anywhere to put plastics, unless they have some super efficient (wouldn't put it past them) way of getting the plastics out of normal rubbish.

and how the crap did I end up writing about waste disposal at 2.20 am in the morning...
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2008-07-02, 10:13 PM #25
Dunno, but a LARGE proportion of Paris' electricity comes from burnt waste.
2008-07-02, 11:20 PM #26
Originally posted by Jon`C:
My town has implemented the same garbage system with the same garbage stickers and garbage gestapo. Two bins, organic and waste. Every year our taxes go up and the infrastructure gets a little worse. I wish I still lived out in the country where I could burn my garbage.

It has nothing to do with landfills getting full. Maybe it does in Britain but it sure as hell doesn't here. It's all about our local government wanting the Ontario hemp crowd to polish their doorknobs. Our mayor lives in a condo in another town for Christ's sake.

The recycling part is the most enraging bit. 80% of the waste gets put into a landfill anyway, but of course when they talk about cutting garbage by 50% they don't include that statistic. And where's the money going from selling our recyclables? It's sure not going into lowering taxes. The same incompetent c*** mayor has mismanaged our town into a 200% increase in civic spending over the Alberta average (not including infrastructure - the money's literally going into her purse)


i'd honestly try and run for office based on those points, i'm betting you're not the only person pissed at these garbage laws, use that and the fact that the mayor hates the town so much they live somewhere else

joncy, i believe that if you could speak or campaign as well as you do here with the sensibilities and smarts you show you'd might do well with that crowd
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