http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/preacher.freezer/index.html

*pukes*

USA! USA!

The best part is they came to his church to arrest him, but let him finish his sermon on forgiveness first.

he has a weird shaped head, ET like

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Wait, so because of the Canadian knife incident, a typical American murder case becomes more repulsive than usual?

Typical? Since when is asking your own daughter who you've been sexually abusing to help you stuff her mother in a freezer in the basement typical? And as a preacher who continued to give sermons for 4 years no less?

Neither of them are typical and its dumb to say that one is more gruesome than the other.

Is it typical as the murder case in which a husband slowly poisoned his wife by adding a dab of cyanide into her favorite drink of chocolate milk? Is it typical as the case where a employer and an associate, in order to collect on insurance money, killed one of its employers, placed his dead body under a car and tried to pass it off as a vehicular homicide? Is it typical as the case where a husband, facing financial problems, shot his wife to death as they were strolling down a beach and turned the gun on his own body, shot non-vital places and claimed that some armed assailant tried to rob them? These all happened in America. Every grissily, horrible murder crime can be defined by unique attributes, but, due to the sheer number of homicides in the world, a lot of them can fall under "typical". Especially when it comes to marital-related murders, which unfortunately seem so common. It only seems less typical if you studied the gruesome details.

Echoman, the whole murdering your wife and forcing your daughter to help stuff the body into a freezer is worse then anything you listed just there.
The crimes you listed are much closer to 'typical' murders, this one is extra screwed up

Do you realize how many murders happen in the United States? How is the "whole murdering your wife and forcing your daughter to help stuff the body" is more gruesome and disturbing if, let's say, a murderer dismembered a victim's body, a loved one no doubt? Does a freezer make any difference? A plea for non-guilty given by the murderer, this time under the idea that he has been touched by God? Why would you even try to categorize one case in "terms of brutality or horribleness" to others?

The unvarnished truth is, without the attention to bus stabbing in Canada, you would have brushed this incident off as another observation of the terribleness of the human race. Which begs me to question as to why the thread was titled "Aaaaaand less than 24 hours after the Canadian bus incident, the US regains the crown". Obviously this was a ploy against or a jab at something such as American nationalism or American views of Canada, not so much the grave nature of the crime. I honestly wonder, like in my first post, if this thread would have existed at all without the Canadian murder one and the drama inside.

It is a sign of our society that we can classify any murders as "typical".

....Anthony Hopkins

No... the difference is making your daughter help take care of her own mother's body... can you not see how messed up that is?


You're the one who is categorizing, you started this whole "typical" murder crap, and I couldn't care less who he's been touched by


Wrong, if I had heard about this crime on it's own I still would've thought it's one of the more screwed up things I've ever heard of.


Now that I don't know, I wouldn't have compared the two either, here at least we agree on something.



I think it would have, we've had threads about seriously screwed up crimes before, and, as has been noted already, this one was particularly bad.

DaMn BoMbAy you beat me to it, and I'm surprised no one pointed it out before you.

someone had to do it

apparently i count as "someone"

The difference in what? I didn't say it wasn't messed up. Like I mentioned before, every murder crime has a moment or detail of total human depravity. Otherwise, there wouldn't be murderers. Now, certain specific details can stand out, such as if it was done for the name of God, no real motive, multiple victims over and over, etc. But look at murder cases in general.



Reread what I said. Funny, you are offended as to one word I used to describe the crime and not about the "Anthony Hopkins" jokes in the thread. Jokes about the murder.



Okay. Unless you are the most desensitized person out there, you would have come to some thought in some point in time that the world is sh*t and this is another reason to support that claim. Perhaps you should feel that the most terrible aspect of this case is how easy it falls under the "typical" murder, rather than crying out that it is being labeled as such, no?




The reason why the Canadian case is shocking is because it is an almost utterly random moment in an fairly unusual settings. No real motive, and something that touched on our basic instinct of fear of sitting next to stranger who happens to go psycho.

Um.. ok I don't really see your point any more since most of what you just said seems to be in agreement with me, except for one bit:
You said it was funny that I was offended by this and not the Anthony joke.
BZZZT
I'm not offended by this, I just think describing it as a typical crime is a ridiculous thing to do. Yes murders happen all the time, but the TYPICAL murders are more like the ones you described initially, when for some reason you were trying to compare them to this one.
In reality, this crime is nowhere near typical, yes stuff like that has happened before, and yes, it will happen again, but it's far from 'typical'.
That's the only point I was trying to make, I'm not offended by your classification, I just think you're wrong.

By having the crime under "typical murder case," I'm avoiding comparing it to others by placing it under an umbrella term with other horrible, terrible murder crimes that follow in terms of containing brutal and disturbing acts. Funny, by saying this is "different" than other cases I briefly mentioned... aren't YOU the one who is comparing? Especially when you even acknowledged this sort of thing ... is "stuff" that "happened before."

Whatever, sunshine. This is stupid.

You accuse me of comparing, yet your post asked if this case was any more typical then *insert examples here* YOU were obviously comparing, that was the whole point of that post.
And something like it happening before doesn't make it typical.
I do agree with you on one thing though, this is stupid.

But we just found out about it, silly.

Sorry, but stuffing your wife in a freezer for 4 years doesn't compare at all to stabbing a dude 40 - 50 times and then beheading him with a kabar.

It's a bit more heinous than simply stuffing his wife in a freezer. Plus, we don't know how he actually killed her yet. But, I mean... incest. Ew.

I read it, but a murder convoluted by incest doesn't strike me as nearly as brutal and violent as a homicidal maniac willing to gut a man like a fish in a public place surrounded by 37 other people. THE DUDE CUT OFF A GUY'S HEAD for christ's sake.

One was really sick, the other incredibly brutal.
Can we agree that both these situations are pretty messed up?

NUH UH. MY criminal could gross out YOUR criminal any day! We WIN.

Hehehe, it does seem to be a bit like that eh?

They left out the part where they had sex with the body before they put it in the freezer. He had always wanted to try that mother-daughter thing his neighbor's son had been talking so much about.

So where does the sodomy come in, and why is that a crime.

The lack of sodomy is a crime

Good catch. Mobile's DA apparently doesn't know that there are no sodomy laws anymore.

I'm pretty sure they can charge you with it as an extra charge if you do it against a minor.

Damn I thought that was a joke, that teaches me to skip over the article

Sodomy does not always mean sweet, innocent, homosexual love.

Ah, you're right. That didn't occur to me because I saw that she's 19 right now, but since she claims to have been abused since she was 11, that makes sense. Kind of a weird law, but it's valid.

No, it can mean sweet, innocent, heterosexual love too.



Yeah, it is a bit. Forced sodomy would be rape, and sodomy with a minor would be sex with a minor. The fact that it was sodomy certainly means it hurt more, and should of course be considered in sentencing, but to have a separate charge of 'sodomy' is a bit odd. Probably just some archaism.

Among other things.

It's more than likely a pile-on charge to make a plea deal more appealing.

Anyway, there was no point to the mindless America-bashing title of the thread. I think THAT'S what echoman objects to. 'You' have to make everything about politics, and how America sucks. It's stupid, childish, and insulting.

Well, Jlee summed it up well. The entire premise stated in the thread title is wrong.