I'm considering a conceal and carry permit. I've had gun safety before, but I've only really shot a glock, a desert eagle and a few automatics for fun. None of them really fit in my hands well, and even the glock was hard to handle the kick. I want something that's more than a single shot, semi-automatic, but around the same size, and I need it to be easy to pull (or at least easy to coughmodifycough to be a slippery trigger) and able to take down a grown man.

Gun experts?

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just kidding =) HK USP's are nice though.

Guns. Filthy weapons. But I do find it amusing kirby wants a gun

Just a precursor to avoid derailing the topic: I've said several times that I support gun ownership, but I don't support some of the twisted logic that gun owners use. Especially the good guy bad guy scenario we see constantly on these forums.

That said, I'm going to be doing a lot of business in Minneapolis in the coming year, and my parents are begging me to get a conceal and carry permit. After living in Chicago and getting stuck down the wrong street a couple of times, I wouldn't mind at least having the option.

wheelchair mounted machineguns

I like this idea.

I'm not sure that counts as concealed. I could mount some in the chair like batman, though...

I foresee the brewing of an army of world record bench pressing midgets.

A toy one.

Darringer pistol will fit you nicely.

for you, i would suggest a small frame revolver for you. Taurus makes some good small frame revolvers that are good for C&C.

anyway joke post out of the way time to be serious

as far as recommending a specific firearm there is no way i could... the best recommendation is to visit the local gunshops and ask to look at each gun they have... find out what feels right in your hand... if it's a semi-auto ask the dealer if you can work the slide (some shops are picky about this so always ask) find out if you can comfortably work the slide ask if they have any snap caps (dummy rounds made for dry fire tests) or if you can dry fire the pistol to see how the trigger pull is

also make sure you can work the mag release and slide release easily if it's a semi auto

if you go with a revolver make sure you can work whatever setup is used for loading usually a swing out cylinder... loading gates are only used on colt single action clones these days and the top break design has faded off into history also test the trigger pull

and keep a list of which pistols you liked... read up on them... reliability, accuracy, etc...

and finally see if you have any places nearby where you can rent some of your choices see how the recoil of the weapon feels 2 pistols in the same caliber can be very different for recoil the grips, grip angle, barrel length, weight, everything affects the recoil of a pistol

make an informed decision when choosing a carry pistol

I was under the impression you could get up and melee attackers away...?

What DrkJedi said. Though I can say that Glocks, Springfield XD's, and the Smith & Wesson M&P series are all very good weapons. If your looking for being able to modify trigger pull on them, any of these would work. They're not the only guns out there, but Glock and Springfield are both proven semi-autos. The Smith and Wesson is a newer gun, but I own one and I think its great, and all the reviews I've read on it say its a good gun as well.

I may be showing my noobness, but this confused me a little. Is there different kinds of semi-auto? Because to me single shot and semi-auto are two different things, single shot meaning having to manually load each bullet into the chamber.

The next step up is burst and full auto. I always thought burst and full auto pistols(well, anything full auto really) were illegal to own unless you are a gun collector. That's besides being overkill for concealed carry and if it's difficult to take the kick from a semi-auto glock, there is no way you will be able to control a full auto pistol.

As for caliber, go 9mm. The first shot stopping power difference between 9mm and .45 is 6% and with a 9mm you can snap off more rounds easier if necessary. You can always pick up some nice hydra-shock rounds for a 9mm if you want some more stopping power. Those also tend to be more accurate than normal rounds, but end up costing $1 a bullet, at least where I live. They also look absolutely evil, which is a plus in my book.

I have a glock 26 9mm. It has a 10+1 round capacity and is pretty accurate for a pistol. If I wear my baggier pants, I can actually fit it in my pocket. That's mostly due to having a shorter grip. The g26 was specifically made to be a concealed carry firearm and having the shorter grip really helps with that.

While revolvers are smaller, they also tend to have more kick than other pistols because of their shorter barrels. If you can find a revolver that you can handle well, go for it. Otherwise I think you may need to step down to .22, but at that point you might as well buy a stun gun, imo. Or, if you can manage to get your hands on some 10% concentration pepper spray(intended for military and law enforcement.....), use that. Having been sprayed by it before, I can tell you I'd rather be shot in a non-vital area than get sprayed. Not sure how powerful the 5% civilian version is though and I don't intend to find out.

Sorry, but I have to put a vote against the XDs. My friend has a couple in different calibers and while the features make me happy in the pants, I do not see them as concealed carry friendly as some other reliable weapons, especially for people with not a lot of room to hide it or don't want to wear over sized clothing. Great pistols, just slightly too big for my tastes.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, afterall, I have a glock 26. Obviously, ability to conceal the weapon was a huge issue for me.

look into USP compacts.

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All the brands I recommended have compact models. Recommending anything else for Kirby for concealed carry would be slightly pointless.:P

am i the only one who read the title and thought he was gonna tell a story or link to an article where someone hid a gun behind their back and said "what gun?"

Whatever you get, make sure to test it on yourself first. Just to make sure it works.

Stupid not to. If someone is trying to kill you or your family, shoot the *******.


Duh?

Pesky second ammendment.

I would just go with whatever is the cheapest (But still will fire) since you're not ever going to use it in a defensive situation.

But if you actually want something for shooting a person, get the biggest baddest gun out there that you can handle. Lower powered pistols might not be enough to take out some drugged up 300 pound bad *** trying to chase down some dude on a wheelchair.

Find what fits your hand and go from there. KelTec makes some ultra-compact handguns.

Are there any realistically easy to pull pistols, or are they all like breaking a small log in half? (I literally have no finger strength, and every gun I've fired I've had to use two fingers and an extreme amount of inaccuracy to fire.)

Also, there's a military range up north that I've fired on a few times, and they'll let me try basically any gun in their store. Especially if I'm looking to buy.

I shouldn't really be in the cities until the middle of the year, so I have time to decide. I also don't even know if I'll actually be bringing it with me all the time, but like I said: I want the option if I feel the business I'll be doing is in shadier places. I've had too many uncomfortable bus encounters where I would've felt a whole lot more secure knowing I could have a gun each day.

(Which brings up the question of campus firearms, considering I still wouldn't have been able to pack on those days because they were all en-route to a college.)

To me a single shot is also one such as a revolver where you have to pull the hammer back each time after firing. Even if the magazine holds several bullets.

Revolvers don't have magazines.

that's a SINGLE ACTION

note: quite a few semi-auto designs that are single action too... like the classic John Browning design from 1911

get a conc

I would definitely try and fire some weapons, if they'll let you, before you buy. I'm sure the shop owners will point you to something that has a relatively soft action. But it's hard to say what gun will fit well in your hand, and how easy it will be to fire, so it's important to try some in person.

One good thing to consider is to load the first one or two rounds with snake shot, so you might be able to diffuse a dire situation with out having to actually kill anyone, while maintaining your last resort option.

That's still considered deadly force. If deadly force is justified, I'm going to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible. That's not likely to happen with snake shot.

That's exactly what i was going to say, JLee. My first shot is not going to be half-assed.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's smart thinking. If I'm pulling out a gun, I'm shooting it with the knowledge and dire necessity that it'll kill. I'm not pulling out a bludgeoning device, or a knife: I'm pulling out a gun. I might not want to kill a person, but I certainly am willing to accept that as a consequence. I'd rather not have bullets in my gun that'd give me a more casual reason to use it. Not that I would, but the split second decision-me could be another story.

Not to mention, if the second round is a second too late, I think I'll be hoping the first round was a "killer" not a "wounder."

snake shot might only piss a determined ****stain off

Well evne though I was kidding, if you can get your hands on a FN five seven, it pretty much meets what you described.

Guns now are a totally different story compared to the guns when the constitution was written.

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I personally recommend the Elgin Cutlass.

Any gun can take down a full grown man if you shoot the knees. And I'm guessing that shouldn't be too hard for you lol

I thought about buying one but they are expensive as ****

Colt Anaconda. .44 magnum double-action revolver. It's perfect.