is the Obama choice

at least thats what Fox and CNN are claiming

D:

By process of elimination, yeah.

I wanted Bayh, but at least Biden's certain to kick Romney's (or unlikely other Republican choice) arse in the VP debate.

Obama be Biden' his time, hehe

I'll believe it when I hear it from Obama. I've seen so many "democratic sources" that claim to know the VP choice that I don't believe anything.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/23/biden.democrat.vp.candidate/index.html now we gots a link

Too many old people in this election.

Admittedly, I was glad it wasn't Hilary. But I never believed she had any real possibility of being a running mate in the first place.

Yup, it's Biden. Just got a PM.

He didn't text me yet.

Well, I considered voting for Obama....not anymore.

McCain's released a pretty effective ad against an Obama/Biden ticket. I wonder how Obama's going to respond to that.

Completely uninteresting choice. At least he is clean and articulate, though.



You know, Romney is quite intelligent and quite able to hold his own in debates. Other potential VP choices could be clean and articulate as well so I'm not sure where this certainty that Biden will do so much better comes from.

And what is this democrat obsession with nominating mediocre lawyers turn career politicians with no record of having actually successfully run anything? At least President Clinton had some gubernatorial experience.

Ah, yes, the Clinton years in my state... good times... not...

I will confess that I met him when I was a junior in high school (and he was governor), and I thought him to be quite dynamic. I didn't politics from a hole in my arse at the time, though.

To be honest, I was pandering a bit there. My personal belief is that GWB would not have had such a rough presidency had he not inherited the economic and terrorist situation from Clinton. At least Gore wasn't in there.

I think this is the one thing that bothers me about modern media. you can't keep a secret, the news hits it and hits it and eventually beats it out of someone. maybe I'm just too idealistic.

What are you talking about? The soon to be known as former Democrat Vice Presidential Nominee was scheduled to be announced yesterday or today.

the pick of Biden was announced from 'high ranking sources in the democratic party' last night, not from Obama himself on air. anyone who set up for the text message read it here first instead of that offical method?

*raises hand*

If Obama doesn't care about the "clean and articulate" gaffe, it's awfully silly for you to bring it up.



This is obviously going to be purely a matter of opinion, but I thought he invariably looked like either a snake or a fool in the Republican debates.



It was always my opinion that Biden and Huckabee were the sharpest debaters in their respective primary fields. Huckabee's an unlikely choice, and of the possible choices that weren't in the primary (Pawlenty, Lieberman, Portman, Fiorina, Whitman, Palin and maybe a couple others) none jumps out at me as a very dynamic debater.

After thinking about it, Biden seems like a poor decision.

Biden isn't a bad choice, he's just a conditional choice. Biden has a long history of saying stupid things that mar perfectly intelligent and well thought out ideas and opinions. If he can learn when to shut his mouth, he could be a great asset for the campaign.

Just watched his speech in Springfield.

I wouldn't want anyone other than Biden at this point.

I thought Clinton left a budget surplus?:confused:

...wut? Biden is known as a successful senator(granted, not the same thing as a governor) who is also known to take slightly conservative stances on things such as crime. He's also a bulldog, so Obama can let him loose on McCain while he plays nice. Biden is a very good compliment to Obama and makes for a pretty strong ticket. But then again, Biden made the "clean and articulate" comment, though I think it was stupid he was criticized for it, he's said in the past Obama isn't ready to be president, and he has been in Congress longer than McCain. That dulls the teeth of the "I'm a new kind of guy, my opponent is old guard" approach.

Romney does have a certain slick, way too pretty, way too perfect hair feel about him. Like a used car salesman. Or Bill Clinton.

He's only a "successful senator" because of the length of time he has been one. 30 plus years as a senator and absolutely nothing substantial beyond that other than passing law school. Still, that is more than obama. 2 years as a senator with nothing substantial prior.



You are confused if you don't understand why a [fictitious and notional] budget surplus is a bad thing.

I think any long standing senator is obviously a pile of ****, at this point. His voting record agrees with me.

The Obama campaign is taking all of the wrong moves since the FISA bill. My opinion is that they're trying to appeal to the center and even some of the right, and are far too confident in their left appeal. I think Obama is slowly turning middle-lefts into independents with some of his stupid actions lately.

From a purely political standpoint I think what Obama is doing is fine. I mean his actual moves to the center. It is obvious that it is a vote getting maneuver and anyone on the left shouldn't really be concerned. After all, an openly consistent leftist cannot get elected to the presidency in the current political climate. That view influences my opinion that Obama really isn't as stupid as he sounds off the cuff. He's simply trying to formulate statements that will offend the least amount of people but he is not succeeding.

I think what he should be doing is resting on his liberal laurels. He should have picked a VP candidate that has a successful record. Not of having been successfully elected and reelected to the senate for three decades but someone who has actually been successful in other endeavors such as business, military, or executive government. Somebody at least near the middle that would balance the ticket. Instead now we have two liberals both trying to convince us how bad we have it now and that in order for it to get better for us we need to make it suck even worse for the "rich" and businesses.

Not liking Biden too much...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

Here's some more salt on Biden

Biden dislikes File Sharing, Net Neutrality and Encryption

Holy ****, did I just agree with wookie on absolutely every single point?

Close this thread and ban everyone. The end is here.

(Also, his voting record with video games is pretty scary too.)

You guys are making it sound like Wookie cannot have an unbiased mind or see things for what they are.

You make it seem like you haven't read some of his posts.

It's hard to be unbiased in political discussions unless you have no core values or knowledge/interest in the topic. When one has opinions and values they inevitably bias themselves. I could personally never support a liberal due to the conflicting values.

Having said that, I could certainly respect one. Obama and Biden would not fall into that category for me. Neither one of them has any record of accomplishing anything of signifigance beyond getting elected to various positions. I love how Biden is lauded for his foreign policy experience. His foreign policy experience is limited to whatever committees he has served in and what votes he has casted. Now, I don't hold that against him. It is not a senator's job to engage in foreign policy but don't tell me working in Washington DC for nearly four decades makes him some sort of experienced expert. Not that I really care about foreign policy experience to begin with. Bah, now I'm just rambling.

There's my wookie.

Whoo, everythings back to normal.

Would you levy the same argument against McCain then?

With regards to foreign policy, sure, but I don't consider "foreign policy" experience to be any sort of prerequisite. Now, in general, I would not use the same argument against McCain because he actually retired from another career before moving into politics. He's incredibly wealth, through marriage, and certainly doesn't need to be in politics. For him it just seems to be another way to serve his country while it is a career choice that has paid off well for Obama and Biden.

What's that based on? My saying I could respect a liberal or the facts I point out about the Democrat ticket?

Choosing a career in politics doesn't mean you're any less suitable than someone who comes into politics late from another career. What's wrong with someone who decides at a young age that they want to be involved in running their country?

The problem is that someone who has been a politician for a significant proportion of their career is more likely to be involved with some degree of corruption. However, given the amount of the time McCain has been a politician, this argument applies just as much to him as it does to Obama. Additionally, the argument that because he's already rich he must only be interested in serving his country is particularly ridiculous since the idea that a rich person has no interest in becoming richer is absurd.

I have no doubt whatsoever that both McCain and Obama are genuinely interested in the well-being of your country, they just have differ ideas about how to solve the problems. Bringing the idea of corruption and hidden motives into things just further confuses an already complicated set of issues.

Nothing is wrong with it on the surface it's just that they don't have any worthwhile experiences to draw wisdom from. People like Obama and Biden that basically just went to college until they got into politics are the worst types, in my opinion.



I don't have any problem with long service in politics in general. I do disagree with your assessment that serving in governement is a pathway for the rich to get richer. With their personal finances subject to so much scrutiny, legislating for personal financial gain is a risky endeavor. Generally, it seems that these people give more up financially by serving than staying in the private sector. A couple of examples off the top of my head are Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Say what you want about them but they both traded extraordinary income potential to serve in government.



I would say they have different opinions of what the problems are.