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2008-09-04, 4:09 PM #41
Rather be a tool than a troll.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 4:24 PM #42
If you start charging the fabulously rich more in taxes, they'll just move their money somewhere untaxable. The Democrats can't actually think that the rich are just going to let themselves be taxed so much.
"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."
2008-09-04, 4:33 PM #43
Originally posted by Bobbert:
If you start charging the fabulously rich more in taxes, they'll just move their money somewhere untaxable. The Democrats can't actually think that the rich are just going to let themselves be taxed so much.


I don't generally disagree with you except that they can't really move their income to nontaxable areas. It's not like charitable donations will go up or something simply to deduct more. No, increasing the tax stiffles growth which leads to lower earnings across multiple income levels. That is why lower taxes generally lead to an increased growth rate of tax revenue and raising them decreases the rate at which the revenue increases.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 4:36 PM #44
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Rather be a tool than a troll.


I'm only a troll when I'm saying things people don't want to hear. I'm inclined to believe it's because it's the truth, otherwise you'd all just turn a blind eye like you do to other legitimate trolls like imsoclonehunter
2008-09-04, 4:40 PM #45
You're always an ***, though. I mean I love you for it, I usually find your routine mini-rants quite ammusing. It just doesn't really bother me that some internet troll calls me a tool.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 4:42 PM #46
If it didn't bother you that I called you a tool we wouldn't be having an argument over how big of a tool you are, you tool.
2008-09-04, 4:49 PM #47
and if you weren't having this argument then the tools would still be in the shed! shoosh! :psyduck:
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2008-09-04, 4:53 PM #48
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
and if you weren't having this argument then the tools would still be in the shed! shoosh! :psyduck:


That was so epic.

You win 20 internets sir.
2008-09-04, 5:01 PM #49
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
I'll just come out and say it. I want tax cuts for the rich. I want as many tax cuts for the rich as humanly possible that doesn't horribly cripple the government.


The rich are not typically the ones in debt; cutting taxes for them will cause a shift in where the source of revenue will come from. You'll end up taxing the middle and lower class to oblivion. Either that, or the Republicans, who are just as spend-happy as the Democrats, will continue to create record deficit spending.

So, the dollar will weaken, people who are in serious debt will be in even more debt, and our government will have less and less revenue to support its current programs. Do we cut programs? That'd be nice, but all McCain gives us is useless rhetoric of "cutting pork barrel spending" and "fighting against earmarks" and other political bull****. He has no plans to reduce spending, and he only wants to increase the debt of our government. Why is this considered better than Obama, who supports such things as pay-as-you-go financing?
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2008-09-04, 5:18 PM #50
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Why is this considered better than Obama, who supports such things as pay-as-you-go financing?


because while Obama may say his plans are pay-as-you-go, they are not going to GO anywhere. he has no real means of paying for his plans for expansion of government prorams... other than raising taxes on the rich and hoping they dont get fed up and just leave the country... uh-oh, our revenue supplies just moved to Switzerland... crap! yes, yes... i know not really super realistic, but neither are obamas plans for expanding government while cutting our nations debt.

Originally posted by Rob:
You win 20 internets sir.

zing! :awesomelon:
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2008-09-04, 5:39 PM #51
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
because while Obama may say his plans are pay-as-you-go, they are not going to GO anywhere. he has no real means of paying for his plans for expansion of government prorams... other than raising taxes on the rich and hoping they dont get fed up and just leave the country... uh-oh, our revenue supplies just moved to Switzerland... crap! yes, yes... i know not really super realistic, but neither are obamas plans for expanding government while cutting our nations debt.


Is it better to have someone who supports expansion of the government only if it's in the budget, or to have someone who supports current levels and maybe expansion, regardless if it's in the budget with a drastic reduction in the current revenue levels?
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2008-09-04, 5:48 PM #52
I swear, I'm ****ing sick and tired of hearing McCain cry about his time as a POW.

Sometimes I wish they finished the ****ing job when they had him captive.

2008-09-04, 5:52 PM #53
Originally posted by IRG SithLord:
I swear, I'm ****ing sick and tired of hearing McCain cry about his time as a POW.

Sometimes I wish they finished the ****ing job when they had him captive.


Dude they beat him until his hair turned white.

They beat on him for five years.

Can you even fathom what that must be like? Seriously.
2008-09-04, 5:53 PM #54
Originally posted by IRG SithLord:
I swear, I'm ****ing sick and tired of hearing McCain cry about his time as a POW.

Sometimes I wish they finished the ****ing job when they had him captive.


......Wow....so you.....wow. I bet you wish death upon all those genocide survivors too, huh? Those Holocaust survivors are real *****es, wish those damn Nazi's ****ing tortured them to death so I don't have to hear about 'em.

You actually wish that that man was murdered, so you can be happy?
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"
2008-09-04, 5:57 PM #55
Originally posted by Rob:
Dude they beat him until his hair turned white.

They beat on him for five years.

Can you even fathom what that must be like? Seriously.


I respect that he served. I understand that he went through hell.

But he should NOT be abusing it for political gain. It makes me feel bad that he's the one out there trying to represent other POWs.
2008-09-04, 6:04 PM #56
Originally posted by mscbuck:
......Wow....so you.....wow. I bet you wish death upon all those genocide survivors too, huh? Those Holocaust survivors are real *****es, wish those damn Nazi's ****ing tortured them to death so I don't have to hear about 'em.

You actually wish that that man was murdered, so you can be happy?


No. See above. I think he's doing a piss poor job of "representing" other POWs.

Don't make obnoxious generalizations so you can make personal attacks.
2008-09-04, 6:07 PM #57
No, no, no. Don't even try and dodge what you said. You are wish death upon a person because he talks about being a POW, and because YOU find that annoying. You are wishing a man was murdered, because it would satisfy you when you VOLUNTARILY watch him speak on TV or listen to him on the radio. If you don't like it, turn off the damn TV alright? You don't wish a person was dead.

You might retort, but all his supporters always bring it up and it pisses me off. So will you wish death upon those people too?
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"
2008-09-04, 6:09 PM #58
McCain isn't as bad as Kerry's "Reporting for Duty!"
"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."
2008-09-04, 6:13 PM #59
Seriously Sithlord.

And with as much as you ***** about more inane things, like the internet, I don't really think you get to call out someone who has SOMETHING VALID TO ***** ABOUT for *****ing.

I don't really like McCain, but the fact that he isn't bat **** crazy *** insane after what he went through is a value I admire. Which is really what he's trying to demonstrate, you know, his strength of character. Perseverance. Those things that like a good leader usually has.
2008-09-04, 6:15 PM #60
Originally posted by mscbuck:
No, no, no. Don't even try and dodge what you said. You are wish death upon a person because he talks about being a POW, and because YOU find that annoying. You are wishing a man was murdered, because it would satisfy you when you VOLUNTARILY watch him speak on TV or listen to him on the radio. If you don't like it, turn off the damn TV alright? You don't wish a person was dead.

You might retort, but all his supporters always bring it up and it pisses me off. So will you wish death upon those people too?


I'm not dodging a damn thing. Again, you are making obnoxious generalizations.

McCain is abusing his POW status and I think thats an insult to other POWs. I thinks it's disgraceful for a human being to go that far.

Maybe my comment was overboard. But this country doesn't need leaders that are willing to abuse these kind of events for their own gain.

Lastly, "voluntarily watching him" (which I don't) is irrelevant. I'm suppose to suddenly not care about my country because he's running?

Quote:
Which is really what he's trying to demonstrate, you know, his strength of character. Perseverance.


Apparently, you are seeing something that I do not. I certainly do not see him trying to show strength of character by bringing his POW status up.
2008-09-04, 6:23 PM #61
And I still don't see how he should just go kill himself or should have been killed because you don't want to listen to POW stories.
2008-09-04, 6:41 PM #62
*sigh*

Yes, that was a horrible thing for me to say. It was an explosive, overboard reaction to what I think is abuse of his POW status and disgraceful representation of other POWs. It's still no excuse for me to react as such. And you guys have the right to call me a sick being for it.

I don't wish death on him. I don't wish death on any other POWs. I came home and started browsing the news to see this. And I reacted in a sick way, which is unacceptable.

What I REALLY want, is for him to stop abusing his POW status for this election. As long as he continues to do so, I have no confidence in him to lead this country.
2008-09-04, 6:48 PM #63
Originally posted by IRG SithLord:
Sometimes I wish they finished the ****ing job when they had him captive.


I'm not even putting words in your mouth dude.
2008-09-04, 7:01 PM #64
Ahh, another fine pissing contest!
2008-09-04, 7:01 PM #65
Originally posted by Rob:
Dude they beat him until his hair turned white.

They beat on him for five years.

Can you even fathom what that must be like? Seriously.


No, I can't. And that's a pretty good argument why he may not be fit for the presidency.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-09-04, 7:02 PM #66
this is why parlimentary systems are much less stressful around election time, you don't have the leaders attacking each other maniacily, instead you have people from each electorate saying what they would bring to it, and pary based ads tend to talk about policies rather than the actual leader of that party.

Also, the fact that the parties themselves decide who their leader is means that things like the hilary/obama division happen far less (and if the leadership disputes for a particular party are causing the voting public who do not belong to the party to be thinking abaout changing who they support, it probably means that the party with the disputes is probably going to be in too much disarray to win an upcomming election)

What I still want to know is why people seem to concentrate more on the candidates themselves rather than their actual policies, their willingness to stick up for what they believe in, and how often they flat out lie in their election promises (though, when you look at ex Aus PM John Howard and how he got elected multiple times even after he invented the term non-core promise to refer to lies he makes to get elected, I guess honesty doesnt seem to matter to many people), and their experiances that could help them in the leadership, rather than just their political experiance as their are many positions in politics that probably are useless for getting leadership related experiance.
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2008-09-04, 7:57 PM #67
Originally posted by Freelancer:
No, I can't. And that's a pretty good argument why he may not be fit for the presidency.


I can't fathom what it must be like to be black

Oh hey, I guess you can't vote for obama now either.
2008-09-04, 8:01 PM #68
Originally posted by Wolfy:
The rich are not typically the ones in debt; cutting taxes for them will cause a shift in where the source of revenue will come from. You'll end up taxing the middle and lower class to oblivion. Either that, or the Republicans, who are just as spend-happy as the Democrats, will continue to create record deficit spending.

So, the dollar will weaken, people who are in serious debt will be in even more debt, and our government will have less and less revenue to support its current programs. Do we cut programs? That'd be nice, but all McCain gives us is useless rhetoric of "cutting pork barrel spending" and "fighting against earmarks" and other political bull****. He has no plans to reduce spending, and he only wants to increase the debt of our government. Why is this considered better than Obama, who supports such things as pay-as-you-go financing?

I am just as skeptical of his cut-spending plans as much as you. Eight years of seeing increases in spending in a party I thought was for cutting spending, leaves me skeptical. I'm all for spending if it is spent wisely and within means and doesn't cause undue burden on ALL tax brackets.

Increasing the taxes on the rich just keeps the coffers full and the spending aplenty. Programs will expand, demand for more spending will increase and thus taxes on the rich will increase more and more. Spending keeps politicians elected. It happened in California. The .com boom FILLED the CA budget. Every Democrat (and some Republicans) in CA orgasmed with spending. They spent and spent and spent. Then the .bomb. Oh ****. The revenue is gone. CA's credit score drops insanely (figuratively). Eight years later we are still trying to get our **** squared away financially. Cost one governor his job in 2003.

Moral of the post: Seemingly limitless budgets are a VERY bad thing.
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2008-09-04, 8:51 PM #69
McCain is abusing his POW status?

A major, life changing, event in his life. Tonight, in his speech, her very sincerely explained that his entire life, up until the moment he was shot down, attacked by a vengeful mob, and captured as a POW he was selfish, felt invincible, and quite cocky.

He came out of the ordeal changed, with a deep love of country.

He is not abusing his time as a POW. He is sharing an intimate chapter of his life. He re-dedicated his life to his country after that. If he is using and abusing his status as a POW I say, Go Johnny, Go.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 8:52 PM #70
Originally posted by Rob:
I can't fathom what it must be like to be black

Oh hey, I guess you can't vote for obama now either.


Pretty much the same as being white except you can stay in the son longer. Lucky *******s.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 9:01 PM #71
Oh, sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but it bugged me yesterday when they were mocking and laughing at Obama for having been a community organizer.

Because helping the community is... a bad thing, I guess.
2008-09-04, 9:01 PM #72
Wow, you really missed the point there.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 9:04 PM #73
What was the point? Perhaps I missed something.

Quote:
On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked -- I said -- I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume.


After Giuliani said "community organizer," people starting booing and laughing (including Rudy himself)
2008-09-04, 9:15 PM #74
It was a comparison to the experience charge against Palin. A "community organizer" isn't something that you would expect to see as a highlight on a resume for the presidency or biographical videos at a convention. It's more like a footnote of something else you did in your free time. To further illustrate my point I would say it would be like if Obama could have said "and while I was fighting for [so-and-so] in the [so-and-so] I also devoted time to serving as a 'community organizer' ". He couldn't say that because all he did was organize some community stuff in his quest for future political office.

In short, I think the point was obvious. It was an experience point and not a point that it wasn't a worthy endeavor.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 9:27 PM #75
It wasn't comparing Obama to Palin though, it was comparing him to McCain. He was running through the qualifications each candidate had. Obama got his start helping the community and fighting for people who had lost jobs. McCain got his start in the military. I don't see how either one is better.

I know you and everyone else must thing I'm just a flaming liberal, but I'm really not. It's just that I'm seeing a lot more insults and criticism coming out of the RNC than I did with the DNC, which had was more about unification and and issues than what I've seen with the RNC.

But anyway, I just had this rant and it pretty much sums up the last two weeks for me:

Quote:
<&Nob> I liked McCain's speech.
<&Nob> But it was very oddly out of sync with the rest of the RNC.
<~fourwood> it put me to sleep
<Farix> McCain's turn and smile gimmick was getting old
<@Vin> it suits him then
<~fourwood> he should have actually stated policy positions about _how_ he's going to do all these things differently than barack obama
<~fourwood> obama spent time actually saying what he's going to do. mccain simply stated that he would do things
<@Vin> it doesn't matter
<@Vin> republicans will say "It was such an amazing, powerful, detailed speech" and democrats will say "It talked a big talk but didn't really say much" and independents will say "meh"
<@Vin> just like with obama's speech
<@Vin> (except reversed)
<~fourwood> they've been complaining this whole time that all obama provides is lofty rhetoric. which is... well, exactly what mccain gave tonight
<@Vin> well, to be truthful, I think all politicians and candidates speak rhetoric
<@Vin> americans have a 10 second attention span, you can't bore them with the details
<@Vin> obama's acceptance speech at least went into some depth with the policies
<@Vin> I haven't seen mccain's yet, so I can't compare
<~fourwood> the details are things like "i will fix education!"
<~fourwood> and then "barack obama will not!"
<@Vin> I just find it extremely frustrating when politicians and pundits criticize the opposing side for doing... the exact same things they are
<@Vin> like at the DNC they accused mccain of being a flipflopper, which to be fair has has changed positions A LOT, even on issues he's fought for.
<@Vin> And then at the RNC they accused Obama of being a flipflopper, which to be fair he has a couple times promised one thing and then done another
<@Vin> The left criticize Palin on lack of experience, the right criticize Obama on lack of experience
<@Vin> The right accuses Obama of raising everyone's taxes (he's not), and the left uh, actually they don't accuse mccain of increasing taxes. They just accuse him of giving the rich a bigger break than the middleclass (which he is)
<@Vin> it's all very hypocritical and it's making me sick


I'm done talking politics for now.
2008-09-04, 9:32 PM #76
can someone please explain to me why the word liberal seems to be used as an insult by the right-wing?
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2008-09-04, 9:34 PM #77
Well, your quoted conversation says to me that you really don't seem to have an understanding of anybody's positions. That's okay. You're young. I really didn't at your age either.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 9:36 PM #78
...what? What in my quote displays a lack of understanding?

Telling people they're wrong or dumb or uninformed is idiotic. Tell them WHY they're wrong or dumb or uninformed.
2008-09-04, 9:36 PM #79
Originally posted by alpha1:
can someone please explain to me why the word liberal seems to be used as an insult by the right-wing?


Because liberalism is counter to the founding principles of this country, in the opinion of us right-wingers. It is also counter to prosperity as it seems to seek to bring everyone down to a level rather than set the conditions so that people can rise to a level.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-09-04, 9:37 PM #80
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
...what? What in my quote displays a lack of understanding?


Dude, I have to get up in four hours and you said you were done. Can I pick this up tomorrow? Well, I can keep going for a bit, since I haven't finished my drink, but I really shouldn't.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

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