while it is absolutely distressing, if it is true and in the correct context, i find it rather funny how the democrats are always 'cheated' out of victory. then never just lose an election.

but yes, this is without a doubt one of the most underhanded tactics i have heard of.

from an outside view of the US, some of the tactics being employed by the republican party to win votes are just plain disgusting and what I'd call "cheap"...but hey it's politics...anything goes right if it lets you win?

Apparently looking at the latest opinion polls they appear to be working, or should I say, a lot of americans seem to be falling for them.

I think I speak for a large proportion of non-americans when I say we'd rather have obama elected than mccain...but the longer the campaign goes on the worse it gets for obama.

Didn't they do this in 2004 as well?

James is correct, we're more hopeful for a positive american influence if Obama gets elected.

The Republicans really do seem to be a backwards group of bible bashing oil whoring gun toting cowboys.

Lets not have another Bush please.

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I'll cast in my vote for that as well. American economy is already on the fritz and we're sensing the repercussions a good bit down here in Quebec (where we provide electricity and other goods to northern american states).

Mccain strikes me as another politician along Bush's type, who just simply don't have their priorities straight. Mind you that I've not been following te debate 100%, mostly because I can simply do nothing about it anyways, most of Mccain's speeches I've caught made me shiver in a negative manner.

Oh well, at least MC Cane has plenty of xp.

Mccain does make good cakes though, amirite?

cakes made out of dead arabs :saddowns:

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Om nom nom.

Yeah, too bad what really matters is being a citizen, not some arbitrary definition of "residence."

It's really sad that these ****nuts can get away with this. They're interfering with the democratic process... they should be stripped from office and charged with treason.

Wow, the level of ignorism in this thread is astounding.

First, mccain and bush are literally nothing alike, except for both neing republicans. Stop comparing the two (also, look at cheney / palin).
Second, that article is EXTREMELY biased to the point of being practically racist in its zest to attack the republican party. Just look at the sub-headline.

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters. They're not forclosing *anyone* they're simply looking at a list to make sure that voters are actually residents! They're not the bank. On top of that, the list is not just a list of african americans, but *everyone* that's been foreclosed. To say that they're doing it to prevent african americans from voting is complete conjecture, and also skirts the boundary of racism.

Third, the Massassi community is severely skewed towards the democratic persuasion. Its rediculous for anyone to claim that "a large proportion of non-americans ... rather have obama elected than mccain..." if you're going to claim something like that, show me a poll to back it up. Granted, I haven't seen one either way, so you may be right, but the burden of proof is on you, and I find it very unlikely that you'll be able to prove that statement, if the american polls (which, last I checked, show obama with a *slight* lead over mccain, rather than the landslide you seem to claim) have any indication of the opinion of the rest of the world.

(Oh and emon, you should focus on the part of this argument about CONJECTURE)

P.S. I don't care AT ALL about what non-americans think the results of our election should be. Not because I don't care about other countries, but because it's OUR election.

Good job!

Except the choices your people make have repercussions on other countries, so we are more than welcome to our opinion.

Oh no, of course you are. I didn't mean to say that you weren't, just that I didn't care and it didn't have any influence on the way I'll vote.

Of course we in other countries have to be careful when voicing our support for Obama because, believe it or not, there are actually people in the states who think that a candidate being liked by the rest of the world is somehow a bad thing. Yeah I know, it's incomprehensible, but there it is.

Also, this is for Sarn: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm

Democrat Barack Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across 22,500 people polled in 22 countries.

[edit] bah. Kyle beat me to it

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6 years ago, or maybe even 4 years ago, I would have agreed with you in saying that McCain and Bush are nothing alike. I was actually a huge McCain fan for a very long time, he pushed forth some great reform bills and fought against both parties when he saw problems.

However, the new McCain, the McCain of the last 4 years, has taken a sharp turn for the right, buckling to Republican pressure on issues such as government spending and torture. I'd like to look at McCain as a "Maverick" who will look out for all of us, but his last years in the Senate and his most recent activity as the nominee has changed my mind entirely.

Glad someone else reads the BBC website that was the article I was thinking of when I wrote the comment,

Also a large proportion of my feeling towards the McCain/Palin ticket is based on interviews and articles I've read. You'll just have to believe me when I say I know when I am reading a biased article and take it as such, but even so, there are articles and interviews out there that I would say are pretty neutral to both sides.

I don't always agree with the democrats but I more often than not think they are a hell of a lot better than the republicans and some of the interviews with McCain and Palin actually scare me to think that they might win. Some of this relates to their apparent "pandering" to the religious section of American society but in a recent interview I got the feeling from Palin that she actually bloody well believes it.

I'll stop there because this is getting damn close to turning this into a religious thread which is a very bad idea, but still, in the UK your beliefs pretty much NEVER enter into a political race and that's the way it should be.

In my opinion, Religion, Politics and Government should be separate and yet that hardly ever seems to be the case in the US elections, even though the First Amendment makes it perfectly clear that this should be the case.

I also don't for a minute think that obama hasn't made it perfectly clear he is a good practicing christian as well at various opportunities.

But in a quote from Wiki



Why does it feel like this doesn't exist?

(ducks for cover)

Because it doesn't, as much as it should. But sometimes you have to pick certain principles over others when all you have is 2 choices. I feel strongly about the separation of church and state (I'm an atheist living in Oklahoma) but that's an uphill battle, and I prefer to focus on more practical issues.

While I do agree that the article is pushing the racist bit a bit far, when blacks make up 60% of foreclosures and in a state with 14.9% black population, it disproportionately affects black voters. Not to mention, most people who's houses are in foreclosure are going to get more help from an Obama presidency than a McCain one, black or not.

Also, just because you're house has foreclosed doesn't make you not a citizen. You can sometimes work out a deal, or just stay in your house after it's entered foreclosure. And what are you supposed to do if you DO leave your house, but it's after the deadline to change your voter registration? You're robbed of your vote because of timing and some Republican jackassery.

And as for McCain, yes, I'm getting a little tired of Obama calling him "more of the same." Because there are *some* differences between him and Bush. But the thing about McCain is this - which version of him to you vote for? This campaign has made him a totally different politician, and given how much he's reversed on issues and how hard his campaign/party are trying to deceive voters, I have a really hard time believing anything he says.

Jep. Thanks. :p

Kyle and maevie, fair enough. Like I said I hadn't seen any polls, but I guess they're there.

Vinny, I pretty much agree with you. My problem was more with that article then with the concept of what's really happening. Short on time, so more later.

That's Mr Kipling you numpty. McCain makes chips!

You shouldn't be allowed to rap sarn

im sorry

Nuh uh. McCain frozen vanilla cakes ftw.

i seriously doubt the 'republican part' is trying to stop anyone from voting. maybe a few individual republican politicians are pulling some ludicrous, transparent ploys, but the g.o.p. as a whole. doubtful.



when are people going to pull their heads out of their arses? BOTH sides will say anything, true or not, to get elected. i dont know where this idealized veneration of the democrat party stems from, but they are certainly not the immaculate, concerned world citizens people seemed to be duped into thinking they are.

yes. republicans are evil, however the democrats are not much better, and far more incompetent.

i have to agree with fishstickz, senator mccain != candidate mccain.

I think they are just checking to make sure people aren't using that list to commit voter fruad. Republicans are not the only one's to commit voter fraud by a long shot.

They're just better at it.

Actually, Canada is about it. Short of bombing more brown people, other countries have nothing to worry much about.

Wow.

i dont know if you were being serious or not... but, when just about major country does anything, especially in the military area it affects most of the rest of the world, even if only in a small way.

God knows the Republicans are the only ones to try dirty, underhanded tactics....try coming to Milwaukee some time and see how well the Democrats have the situation in hand here. Don't have an ID with you at the polls? That's fine, no biggie. What, someone wants to pass a law requiring such an act? No biggie, the Democratic governor will veto it. People need to stop acting as if the GOP is going to eat every baby in this country and completely destroy this nation. I don't mind people criticizing the Republicans, god knows they've screwed up, but since when is the Democratic party this happy, shining beacon of hope that is practically guaranteed to usher in a new American golden age?

Since their candidate has thrown out enough promises to make the country apparently a heaven on Earth, and he can solve EVERY problem with CHANGE!!!!

THANK YOU. You guys said exactly how I feel about all that.

Yes! CHANGE!

I never did get what he's going to do with

Agreed.