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Fable! Fable? Fable. TWO.
2008-10-21, 9:06 AM #1
It be sitting in my car, waiting to be played when I finish work. Guh. And the worste part is I work late tonight.

Can't wait.

In before the fishstickz. :eng101:
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-21, 10:35 AM #2
dammit, I dunno if I can get my copy today. Though I'm still trying to get all the inventory peices from the pub games.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-10-21, 10:51 AM #3
I'm poor.... but maybe not too poor, I dunno.
2008-10-21, 10:52 AM #4
I think this is now on my list, but I reckon I might ask for it or Christmas - I've got too much Gears 2 and Dead Space to fit in before then.

When did I start liking RPGs?! This is crazy talk.
2008-10-21, 11:00 AM #5
Originally posted by Martyn:
I think this is now on my list, but I reckon I might ask for it or Christmas - I've got too much Gears 2 and Dead Space to fit in before then.

When did I start liking RPGs?! This is crazy talk.


Next you'll be rolling a toon on Sentinels to play World of Warcraft with me.

TEEHEE"
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-21, 1:35 PM #6
When's it coming to PC? As a member of the glorious PC gaming master race, I can't deign to slum it with you peasant console gamers.
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2008-10-21, 8:04 PM #7
I'm enjoying the game immensely. I really like how there's slightly more ability to explore than in the first one. It's not quite Oblivion, but it's not the extreme linearity of Fable 1. Also, while the dog was a cute little thing in the beginning, it's starting to drive me insane.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2008-10-21, 9:17 PM #8
Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
When's it coming to PC? As a member of the glorious PC gaming master race, I can't deign to slum it with you peasant console gamers.


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My girlfriend paid a lot of money for that tv; I want to watch ALL OF IT. - JM
2008-10-21, 9:45 PM #9
I really only like two linear RPG's: KOTOR and Mass Effect.

How much can one explore in Fable 2?
2008-10-22, 4:31 AM #10
I'm not really sure how to explain it, beyond "Much, much more than the original, a bit less than Oblivion"

The world is about 10 times as big as the original one and you can go off the beaten path, whereas in the original you were limited to a series of winding passages through country-side, forests, cimeteries, etc. In this one you can forsake the bread-crumb trail, hop over a fence and rush off with your trusted dog into the wilderness in search of treasures, statues, riddles, demon doors, gargoyles and bandits to kill.

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So far, I'm thoroughly enjoying my time in Albion. I've played a good few hours so far, and I remember beating the original Fable in about that same amount of time, on my first time through. Yet I know for a fact I've not even scratched the surface here when I've only found of 3 heroes I need to embark on a journey against the evil at hand.

In term of character development, its originally very similar to its predecessor's. You have your familiar strength, skill and will attributes that affect your melee power (and health), swiftness (range attacks), and magic attacks respectively. Each affect your appearance and your combat abilities (which I'll write about a little later).

To my gleeful surprise variations of clothing and attires are more plentiful than in the original and I'm pleased to say that you can purchase a ton of dyes to color them to your heart's content. Some clothes, like the Ranger's coat have a hood which you can toggle on and off. Some other coats, like the cuffed longcoat (similar to Captain Jack Sparrow's) can be toggled opened and closed. There are quite a few more hats (serious ones unlike in Lost Chapters). Barbers offer a ton of hairstyles, facial hair and make-up if you are a girl (...or cross-dresser...). Oh and remember those dyes I mentioned? Yea, you can even die your hair and facial hair with them now.

Character morphing is subtle and very interesting again in this game. My character went for a swift, lanky little bloke into quite the bulky warrior by the time I had unlocked rank 2 of my 3 strength abilities. Its fun to see the change. Oh and lay off the fat foods otherwise you'll become the medieval version of Austin Power's Fat *******.

Now, the combat itself is quite thrilling, though to be honest, it takes a while to take off. This game takes the combo twitchiness thats grown all too common in action titles and throws it right out the window. In stead you have 3 combat button, 1 for melee, 1 for ranged, 1 for magic.

WHAT? That sounds so simplistic and lame! How can I ever pull off fun and flashy moves this way?

Well, at first, you simply don't. For the first hour of the game, you'll be simply slashing away at your enemies by mashing the attack button of your choice and side-stepping their blows. Don't get discouraged, the combat is just getting warmed up! Its when you unlock Brutal Styles (Strength) and Swift Styles (Skill) that things start getting fun. Brutal Styles rank 1 allows your to block your enemies' attack by holding the melee attack down. Swift Styles rank 1 allows you to roll away and towards your enemies with the sprint button. Brutal Styles rank 2 finally allows you to complete flourishes, very interesting and acrobatic moves by holding down the melee button, pressing the direction bad in the direction of your chosen enemy and unleashing the attack. Simple? Once you get used to this, and chain them properly, you'll be able to attack one enemy kick off into the air from his falling body and come slashing down at the enemies that were charging behind you.

And of course, there are plenty more ranks to gain in these abilities, though swift style rank 2 and on affect your ranged. In my case, I wont bother going down that tree since I've chosen my first play through to be as a brutesque (and idioticly good) melee warrior.

So far the storyline seems interesting enough, but certainly lacks the epicness of a game like Mass Effect. Its actually somewhat like the original, though you know your enemy very early on. A hero going off against an evil that threatens the land. Its your basic hero story, really. While the story is not the high light in Fable 2, there is so much more to the game than the base plotline. To me the world itself is as much a character as the hero you control.

The humour of the game is very tasteful and fun, somewhat with a little taste of Monty Python to it, though at least so far, there's been one or two quite dramatic moments. Oh, yes, there was also one quite nauseating moment, not because of violence and gore, but rather because, when you hear a sweet, pretty voice, you expect a pretty face, blond hair, inviting blue eyes, big plump breasts and a fair bottom. WELL NOT IN THIS GAME. :argh:

You can make money by taking on jobs. They come in the form of a mini-games that is fun and addictive, though extremely simplistic, essentially simply requiring you to hit the x when the meter is in the sweet spot. The more successes in a row, the higher your pay grows until you miss and start over again. I've taken a liking to blacksmithing, myself, mostly because it fits my character extremely well. Other jobs include woodcutting and bartending. Later on, you can also get Bounty Hunter and Assassin missions that act more like side quests and not a mini-game. Of course, much like in the original fable (but enhanced) you can again by houses and shops and rent them out, pocketing money every 5 minute of real-life time (including when your xbox is off and you're off playing something a little more brutal like oh, who knows, Dead Space?). You can also have a spouse, and in this game you can also have children.

Now, how could I forget to talk about the hero's best friend, mister Dog himself? To be honest, this is a love, hate, ignore relationship with our furry companion. Now let me step forth and say so far, I love the dog. He's cute, he's playful, he's useful and how can you not love him when he rolls onto his back begging for a treat after he finds that magnificient treasure for you? Or when he comes back through a locked bar gate carrying the head of an undead creature he's just killed? Still, I can certainly recognize that not everyone will like him. Alas, to these people's dismay, you can't do anything about it. He's there to stay even if you put him through hell.

The dog is present mostly for the cute factor and to server as a living (but not really, yay AI!) metal detector
that entices you to get off that mean old beaten path and into the wilderness in search of treasure. This is a double-edged sword. It can certainly get you exploring and to the less alert among us, he will point out that chest or silver key that is right in our face but we refuse to acknowledge. On the flipside, for those who LOVE to discover everything on their own, their doggy will beat them to the punch more often than not. (I caught myself gloating and happy when I find one before him, at one point).

So far, the dog has never gotten in my way, and generally its quite fun to have him at my side. You can see that the dev's put some extra time and love in animating and designing the mutt.

So hummm, thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Edit : Oh yea, the graphics are totally awesome, the lighting is breathtaking (if someone a little overwhelming at sunset and sundown). In addition, the game's musical score is marvelous, very reminiscent of the original with a more orchestral feel to it.
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-22, 8:51 AM #11
I agree, the presentation is amazing. When you're coming over a ridge and you see the sun setting in the distance under the trees, and the music kicks up.. it's pretty breathtaking.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2008-10-22, 2:17 PM #12
So uhhh.. anyone want to let me borrow this when they're done with it? :(
2008-10-22, 10:20 PM #13
If you were on my continent Rob, if you were on my continent .(
2008-10-23, 8:14 AM #14
Is it better than the first Fable? I really hated that game, it was fun at first but it was sooo repetitious.
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2008-10-23, 8:16 AM #15
Its an enhancement from the first and there are many more side-quests I've encountered with different types like convincing someone to fall in love with you and then break her heart, or clearing a cimetary full of zombies, or posing for a sculptor
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-23, 9:13 AM #16
****in love the game. I really liked the first Fable, but this is really extraordinary. Some comments....

I don't know why some people said the graphics aren't really that much of an improvement. I even heard someone say it was "Fable 1.5". It's complete bull**** and I totally agree with fishstickz. The lighting is gorgeous, and the landscapes are just as beautiful as those in Oblivion. I was shocked when I was running up a hill at sunset and came to the top. It was breathtaking.

I like the dog. If only for the fact that he'll attack people when they are on the ground. I find that when enemies are knocked on the ground it's somewhat tough to finish them off, so if the dog does it for me, awesome.

I really do love the combat system. It's simple, yet extremely powerful and you do need to have some skill. I guess I like it because it makes will power that much more important in a battle, because the later enemies start getting a lot of health.

The breadcrumb trail is the greatest thing to happen to this game. I ****in love it. I was worried that it would make the game way too easy, but if anything, the trail just almost gives you an incentive to explore. And I love just how far you can explore, how far you can get off the beaten path.

My only complaint is I wish the map could be more detailed. Trying to find the bookstore in Bowerstone took me a while. But for the most part, it doesn't matter.

Last night I was playing at around 10PM, and it came to be 11:30 and I went "alright, just a bit longer". Next time I looked at the clock it was 2AM....:(
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"
2008-10-23, 9:37 AM #17
So fable 2 or dead space :o
2008-10-23, 9:49 AM #18
fable is more bang for your buck, wait til you can get it used (even though it's a better game)
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2008-10-23, 11:10 AM #19
So basically wait on both games to be cheaper?
2008-10-23, 12:16 PM #20
I'd say get fable now, wait for dead space.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2008-10-23, 1:19 PM #21
Nice, I like your review, Jep! You're good at writing. Do tell more as you play it through more, it sounds cool. Did anyone play the arcade minigames before it was released? Did you get much experience or any benefits from that?
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2008-10-23, 1:48 PM #22
Mort, I believe if you played the arcade games that you are able to open certain chests, as well as link certain characters to your arcade game ones when you meet a "game master" at some of the inns. I personally didn't do the pre-release arcade games, but I think this is what you get.


Anyone who has the game, how much renown did you get to get the "blow kiss" expression. I'm trying to open the Demon Door in Oakdale. I know you can either use the blow kiss expression, or propose in front of the demon door. I tried the latter, but for some reason it didnt' work :/
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"
2008-10-23, 1:59 PM #23
I got the Fable2 pub-games. I got 50 grand in gold (thanks glitch!) and unlocked about 9 of the items. I'm going to get Fable2 on my way home from work today.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-10-23, 2:09 PM #24
Can you still do the pub games thing? I might do that because I'm bored. :(
2008-10-23, 3:34 PM #25
Doing the pub thing really is kind of silly (disclaimer : TO ME) excepting for the items. Money is so easy to come by and half the fun in this game is building up to be afford things, be able to get that weapon you wanted, or buy that shop and get the revenues flowing.

Coming into the game with a huge wad of cash kinda seems to kill some of the fun! :(

I'm not sure at what level I got me "Blow Kisses" expression, but I got it shortly before heading out into Bright Wood (following main Questline)
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-23, 4:22 PM #26
Haha, I own half of Bowerstone market, stole a pirate ship and found buried treasure, sacrificed my wife to the demon god, and had a 5-girl-1-guy orgy in an undead monastery. This game is awesome.
2008-10-23, 5:29 PM #27
Would one say the world is as big as Oblivion?
2008-10-23, 7:15 PM #28
Originally posted by Jep:
Coming into the game with a huge wad of cash kinda seems to kill some of the fun! :(


Yeah I agree, I mean I didn't want to go all out and get like a million pieces of gold or anything like that. But I'd like to beat it and get the achievements pretty quick because I have to make time for all the other games coming out. ;)
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-10-23, 9:20 PM #29
Ok, I've played enough Fable for today.

Steven, I own the entirety of bowerstone market, plus a couple of other places haha. I get 7000 gold every 5 minutes, it's ridiculous. I have a couple of questions about this game though:

How do you get people to dance or have a party? I saw that under my characters log book. Orgies or something, I don't know how to do it.

How do you steal a pirate ship?

How do you steal anything at all actually?

Also, is there any way to kill someone without anyone knowing like in Oblivion? I tried murdering this guy when no one was around and guards came running, kind of ****ing lame if you ask me.

Is there a map ingame? I don't know where the hell I am 100% of the time because the maps are small and I can't zoom in. They MUST have a map somewhere. For instance, I have to quest travel (instant travel) everywhere I go because I don't know how to walk there and can't figure it out, though I would like to because I want to explore.

I can't find either of my wives after the Hero of Will mission in the Spire. They both miss me and have gifts for me but they simply don't exist. I wasted an hour trying to find them. When I go to my marital houses, my children are standing in a corner not doing anything but making snoring noises???

It's a great game, but there are a lot of bugs at least in my version of the game. For instance, I married Karen the Barmaid in Bowerstone market and had a child named Eric. I couldn't figure out how to change my marital home (she wanted a nicer house) so I bought and gifted her another ring to see if I could set it then. It let me, but now I have duplicate Karen the Barmaid wives...But only one of them exists. One has a child, the other doesn't.................Come on fable developers couldn't you have thought of this and saved me frustration? Now one of them wants to divorce me because she doesn't exist.

Also, how the **** do you set things to your d-pad? It's really annoying having to open up my menu to take food/potions if I want to take a lot in succession (% fat reducer foods/EXP potions)
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2008-10-23, 10:34 PM #30
Damn, another 4 hour session....more impressions

I hate to say, but the game is kind of buggy :/. I've yet to come across the huge freezing bug that a lot of people have gotten, but mine are mostly related to combat. Bugs such as I cannot pull out my weapon after I use my will. Also, does anyone find it kind of hard to take down enemies who are on the ground?

Still having a blast though. Just go to Westcliff and got through fighting all the Balvorines. The Time Control power really makes those dudes easy.
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"
2008-10-23, 10:49 PM #31
Originally posted by mscbuck:
Damn, another 4 hour session....more impressions

I hate to say, but the game is kind of buggy :/. I've yet to come across the huge freezing bug that a lot of people have gotten, but mine are mostly related to combat. Bugs such as I cannot pull out my weapon after I use my will. Also, does anyone find it kind of hard to take down enemies who are on the ground?

Still having a blast though. Just go to Westcliff and got through fighting all the Balvorines. The Time Control power really makes those dudes easy.


I have none of these problems, but I do have my own bugs. So on the whole I would have to agree with you.
America, home of the free gift with purchase.
2008-10-23, 11:01 PM #32
Well if it's even close to as expansive as Oblivion, then it's bound to have just as many bugs also. Oblivion had a ridiculous number of bugs in it.
2008-10-24, 12:53 AM #33
I haven't run into any bugs yet, but when I merged my characters from the pub games, I got all my gold but didn't get any of the items I unlocked. I guess others had this issue too
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-10-24, 4:04 AM #34
Originally posted by Z@NARDI:
I haven't run into any bugs yet, but when I merged my characters from the pub games, I got all my gold but didn't get any of the items I unlocked. I guess others had this issue too


Arent you supposed to get these from the chest near the cullis gate in the chamber of fate?
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-24, 4:16 AM #35
Really, people need to get this comparison to Oblivion out of their mind. Its really not as expansive and really, the Devs never meant it to be. Oblivion featured a seamless(sorta) world with tons of factions that you could join each with their own lengthy plotlines. It was built to be a large, sandbox type of RPG.

People should be comparing Fable 2 to Fable 1 and the Lost Chapters. Its expanded from these games, an action-rpg, not a number-crunching, lore-heavy game like Oblivion. The world is nowhere near as large as Oblivion's despite everyone's awe at how far you can explore. You're not going to come across any caves or dungeons not related to quests. The world is segmented into seperate regions that include a long load time and 'in-game hours of travel' in between. Westcliff for one, up to the village before the crucible, is darn straight linear with a few hooks in the roads that lead to chests. Honestly, this is very close to the Balverine area of the first game.

Besides, Oblivion sucked. Could anyone really stomach the world shifting before their eyes every 20 feet? I sure couldn't. If you stood still, the scenery was breath-taking. If you took a few steps forward, BOOM, go go mighty morphing land! Thankfully when you travel in Fable 2 you do not come across this. At worst, some deeper shadows may flicker or appear.

After 16 hours of play, I've not encountered a single game-breaking bug. Honestly the worst of my problems was a few npcs clipping through objects, which, really, I've seen in every 3D game since the original Alone in the Dark.
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-24, 11:03 AM #36
Originally posted by Jep:
Arent you supposed to get these from the chest near the cullis gate in the chamber of fate?


I have no idea..?

So, the ghost that wants you to give the letter to his wife, I decided to marry her but she doesn't want to live in either one of my 4 houses in bowerstone market.. or at least it doesn't give me the option to set them as martial homes. ghey, so I married the hair cutting lady
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-10-24, 9:45 PM #37
Wow.

I just bought this game and...it's so so, so far. I kind of like Oblivion better at this point. And sheesh there's a ton of bugs in it. Released way too early.
2008-10-25, 10:22 AM #38
Originally posted by Latis:
Wow. I just bought this game and...it's so so, so far. I kind of like Oblivion better at this point. And sheesh there's a ton of bugs in it. Released way too early.


After 16 hours, I've not encountered a single game-breaking bug and the ones I did were minor and really nothing but the pickiest of people would complain about. I'd love to hear what are some of these bugs you've encountered in this ton of bugs?

And as I've said before, comparing this game to Oblivion is like comparing a typical RPG to a Japanese one.
Was cheated out of lions by happydud
Was cheated out of marriage by sugarless
2008-10-25, 11:03 AM #39
I just like Oblivion's style better. Here's what I do like about the game.

Lighting is excellent, the magic and leveling system is good (but only 7 or so spells? I want more), clothing is okay (I got an assassin's coat way early in the game though, something this cool should have waited), haircuts and tats are awesome, and the ability to dye clothes is great.

I've had issues with clipping, several "GET OUT OF HERE STALKER" moments with the lady that helps you on the quest (And I assume she will betray somehow later in the game?), and the dog's collar not showing when I open up chest, just to name a few. Oh and sound is very odd, voices from far away sound very close, and close up voices sound far away. I have an HDTV with surround sound, and I also tried it with headphones and it's just ugh.

Not really bugs, but every time I go back to a location (i.e. near the ghost on my way to Oakfield), bandits appear in the EXACT location each time. I ****ing killed them already, I love killing them again, but that's a nuance. I want to kill others.

The minigames should be more varied in my opinion. They're all so easy.

Music is not comparable to legends such as Jeremy Soule (for RPG-esque games).

I do like the voice acting (Yay Stephen Fry!) though.

I've only played six hours, maybe it'll get better.
2008-10-25, 11:05 AM #40
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