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This is why I'm worried about the election...
2008-11-03, 11:43 PM #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIDsiukzfIY

It's a little long, but you should watch the whole thing. The guy they talk about halfway in, Mike Connell, was subpoenaed and testified today (well, Monday) but I haven't seen any news about it yet...

Quote:
"Mike Connell is—has been named as Karl Rove’s computer guru since 2000. The lawyers in the case refer to Connell as a high-IQ Forrest Gump, because he’s been on the scene of every dubious election we’ve had over the last eight years, starting with Florida 2000.

Now, he has been named by a man named Stephen Spoonamore..., who’s a very unusual and particularly unimpeachable kind of whistleblower. He’s a conservative Republican; he’s a former McCain supporter. But above all, he is a renowned and highly successful expert at the detection of computer fraud. He works for big banks. He works for foreign governments, the Secret Service. His job is to figure out how computers are used to steal money or information or votes. Well, he’s named a lot of people in the Bush-Cheney election subversion conspiracy. He has worked with them. He knows them personally. And months ago, he named Mike Connell and his company GovTech Solutions as having played a crucial role in the—basically the electronic subversion of the vote in Ohio in 2004. And Spoonamore has actually described the computer architecture that was used to do this."

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/3/on_eve_of_election_day_is


Quote:
"We have been confidentially informed by a source we believe to be credible that Karl Rove has threatened Michael Connell, a principal witness we have identified in our King Lincoln case in federal court in Columbus, Ohio, that if he does not agree to 'take the fall' for election fraud in Ohio, his wife Heather will be prosecuted for supposed lobby law violations."

...

"Newly obtained computer schematics provide further detail of how electronic voting data was routed during the 2004 election from Ohio’s Secretary of State’s office through a partisan Tennessee web hosting company. … The flow chart shows how voting information was transferred from Ohio to SmarTech Inc., a Chattanooga Tennessee IT company known for its close association with the Republican Party, before the 2004 election results were displayed online."

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6600
2008-11-03, 11:53 PM #2
lol, hacking the votes to choose someone with like 2% different ideology from the other guy.

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2008-11-04, 2:51 AM #3
free, i'm really tired of people saying that.

Compare McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden's stances on abortion, net neutrality, lgbt issues, global warming, and sex education, just as a few examples, and tell me that the candidates are basically the same.
2008-11-04, 4:46 AM #4
Okay.

The candidates are basically the same.
2008-11-04, 4:55 AM #5
Welcome to Zimbabwe.
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2008-11-04, 7:19 AM #6
All candidates are morally corrupt and need a good spanking
obviously you've never been able to harness the power of cleavage...

maeve
2008-11-04, 7:42 AM #7
And after the spanking.... the ORAL SEX!!
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2008-11-04, 7:56 AM #8
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2008-11-04, 12:01 PM #9
THAT is why you're worried?

I'm worried because if Obama wins, he's gonna **** us in our collective ***es.

If McCain wins, he's gonna take a **** on our collective faces.

We're screwed. The prospects for this election are even worse than Bush/Kerry.
2008-11-04, 12:15 PM #10
Originally posted by Hombre:
THAT is why you're worried?

I'm worried because if Obama wins, he's gonna **** us in our collective ***es.

If McCain wins, he's gonna take a **** on our collective faces.

We're screwed. The prospects for this election are even worse than Bush/Kerry.


:tfti:
2008-11-04, 12:34 PM #11
I really don't understand why electronic voting machines are gaining so much popularity. If they have to print out a ticket anyways, why not just use a mechanical machine? Sure there could be dimpled chads, but a well designed machine should fix those problems while still providing a tangible paper trail.
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2008-11-04, 1:37 PM #12
Originally posted by Bobbert:
I really don't understand why electronic voting machines are gaining so much popularity. If they have to print out a ticket anyways, why not just use a mechanical machine? Sure there could be dimpled chads, but a well designed machine should fix those problems while still providing a tangible paper trail.


They don't print out a ticket, that's the point.
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2008-11-04, 1:51 PM #13
Er, yes they do.
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2008-11-04, 1:57 PM #14
I believe that some do and some don't. The ones I voted on in Cook County two and four years ago had obvious paper printouts. I didn't see one on the machine I used today.
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2008-11-04, 2:01 PM #15
Quote:
I'm worried because if Obama wins, he's gonna **** us in our collective ***es.

If McCain wins, he's gonna take a **** on our collective faces.

We're screwed. The prospects for this election are even worse than Bush/Kerry.


My thoughts exactly.
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-Martyn
2008-11-04, 2:08 PM #16
Originally posted by Hombre:
THAT is why you're worried?

I'm worried because if Obama wins, he's gonna **** us in our collective ***es.

If McCain wins, he's gonna take a **** on our collective faces.

We're screwed. The prospects for this election are even worse than Bush/Kerry.


How can you think this?! Can you in any way substantiate these assertions? In my opinion, the 2008 candidates are orders of magnitude better than those we had for 2004, a "lesser of two evils" scenario. Clearly, your opinion is the complete opposite: why?
Cordially,
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2008-11-04, 2:11 PM #17
Originally posted by Emon:
Er, yes they do.


Diebold machines in MD don't
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2008-11-04, 2:34 PM #18
Huh, I thought there was some law about it. Maybe it was an Ohio state law.
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2008-11-04, 3:19 PM #19
Even Kansas' voting machines simply record your vote on a reusable card with a magnetic stripe.

That's right, Emon. Kansas is technologically ahead of your state.

How's it feel?
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