DOOOOOOMMMMMED


when it happens... just know i ****ing called it

I am finding a lot of hilarity in listening to all the luddites preaching doom and gloom when in fact we are finally about to join the ranks of the civilized countried after all this time.

You have no idea just how doomed we are...

I don't have a huge problem with Obama becoming president. I'm sure he'll do a fine job, if not the way I'd hoped...but my misgivings concern how much bull**** like this I have to continue to put up with from Obama supporters from now on.

don't make this thread about obama... this is no place for political discussion

It's totally about Obama. Didn't you know he wants to come into our houses and personally steal and melt all our guns? THEN WHAT DO WE DO WHEN IT ALL GOES DOWN? HM? HOPE THEM AWAY?

Yeah.

Like Iceland.

Awesome.

I'm happy about this for many reasons, not least of which being that America overwhelmingly chose someone who ran a largely positive campaign - an optimistic, hopeful message. Not that it's going to be all sunshine and daisies, but it's just a good sign.

You should've been born in france you ****ing freak.

That's funny, we're headed for Iceland status right now under a Republican administration.

with a solid democtat majority on both the house and senate... lets not forget that.

Speak for yourself. You might all be doomed, but I intend to be the last man standing.

We're heading into a country I literally can't live in under a democratic administration, if I am to believe that universal healthcare might actually pass.

If universal healthcare becomes a reality here I basically will not have any healthcare anymore, as it will no longer be what is best for my health, but what is cheapest for the government. In essence I will be paying mucho tax dollars for something I will not see a dime out of. Sorta like Social Security!

If universal healthcare is such a bad thing, how come Europeans pay about 8-9 % of their national income for healthcare and Americans pay 16-17 %? It's a well known fact that healthcare is unreasonably expensive in the US, and not because it is so much better. And then I'm not even mentioning the 50 million Americans without any health insurance whatsoever.

Because under universal healthcare I will pay the additional tax and not see a dime out of it.

The universal healthcare system won't cover any part of the treatment I need for my condition. This is based on how it is in Europe and Canada right now, people with my condition in those areas simply have to pay out of pocket for anything they need. The governments have decided that what they need is not really what they need and refuse to pay for it.

All in all the universal healthcare system benefits the average person and screws those of us with more complex issues. At least with the current system, I don't have to pay for something I don't get anything back from.

I find it interesting how the people saying that the US health care system isn't that great, other countries with universal health care are just fine, etc, tend to live in...you guessed it- other countries!



Pretty much- from AR15.com:



OMG THE CHILDREN!!!!

The terrorists have won. Obama's going to suicide bomb the whitehouse and kill the president.

Hey, at least we stopped those liberal f****ts in California from having fun. We're just a little bit safer.

I'm pretty sure you already know Canada has universal health care. Our tax rates are significantly higher than in the USA, and our health care is NOWHERE near the level the American health care is at (meaning theirs is way better in terms of the care you get).

Our provincial tax rates are 14%, down from 15% under our previous government. Also, I am not certain the exact amount for each job, but I'm fairly certain we're taxed an extremely high rate on our paychecks also compared to the US which goes towards our health care, etc.

Exactly...people seem to forget that somebody (read: people) have to pay for everything..

Really?

I have a hard time believing that universal health care will pass in the next 4 years. Give him 8 years and it's a possibility, but I wouldn't start panicking yet.

I think our health care system needs some massive reforms, I just don't think universal health care is the answer.

Tort reform would be a great place to start.

f***ing yes.

Yeah, all of the problems with our system now will just make socializing more infeasible. Tort reform would be an awesome place to start, and if it doesn't happen, we may be looking at a shortage of doctors. They already have to go through a super expensive and horribly long, difficult education. Right now they have to put up with massive insurance costs because civil suits are handled so poorly. If you add the government wages and bureaucracy to the current disaster with out fixing the laws, there's precious little reason to become doctor.

people... this thread IS NOT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION THREAD

you should have made sure to have all the information before you posted... you have doomed this thread to a bunch of bickering over politics

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE COMING ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE FFS

omg..!!!!!!11111111

don't worry. I haz shotguns.

My comment is still valid.

but it's in the wrong thread

I can sympathize with you, but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. Government can't really solve everyone's problems, but it tries to do its best to help the largest amount of people that it can benefit through law (or at least that's what their goals are). So in a case like this, yeah some people wind up getting screwed out of additional taxes for something that hardly benefits them, but it would benefit the country as a whole more so than where we are now.

On that same note, I'm not really for universal health care. The concept is great, though I feel the execution would be done poorly. It has nothing to do with being a crazy commie or socialist, and people who make stupid *** arguments for "OMG AMERIKA IS TURNING INTO A BUNCH OF REDS" are a bunch of attention-craving idiots.

Really, it's just the fact that it's hard for the government to try to control something like this without it getting out of hand. Do we want universal health care if the doctors will be subpar to what they are now? Probably not. If it was the ideal circumstances and universal health care was done correctly, I'm sure we would all see the benefits in some way or another. Though until a foolproof idea can be presented to us I highly doubt that anything of the sort will be passing any time soon.

From my understanding universal health care also takes FOREVER for the patient to be seen and treated, at least thats what I've heard of Canada, but I'm sure the canadian members will clear it up.


What I don't understand is why people elected someone who is going to make us pay out our asses for government programs....not that I liked mccain but I like fat paychecks without massive tax deductions.

@ the suicide bomber part -- I would laugh.




And in a perfect world, communism sounds great too, but it never ever works. Same can be said of this. It sounds all nice and dandy, but it will never be what it is projected to be.

You guys are missing the point.

WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE THERE WILL BE NO ZOMBIES

I don't need universal health care for that. Thats why I bought a shotgun. Shotgun shells are also much cheaper then universal health care.

The only major change to healthcare that is needed is the abolishment of discrimination based on pre-existing conditions. They can't discriminate on anything else, but they'll discriminate on any possible health issue, and even refuse to cover it at all.

It's inevitable. It's coming.

But the world ends in 2012 anyway.

Eh, I guess it depends on the severity of your condition. I've never had to wait long to see my doctor or at the ER, but this is a fairly small town, and I've never had anything beyond torn ligaments and the odd infection requiring antibiotics. A friend of mine lives in a larger area, and is having surgical complications at the moment. The doctors can't figure out what it is, and scheduling tests for her is taking FOREVER. Meanwhile, she is missing work that she can't afford to miss, and is in a great deal of pain.