Ok, on IGN they just posted several clips from the movie. If you haven't seen them, go check them out before continuing....

Face Off Clip- This scene itself made me retarded. There are so many problems with it, it makes my mind melt and ooze out of my noseholes and ears. Since when does the Aliens have Strechy and retractable Tails? That predator had to be atleast 50 feet away from where the alien was hiding... I saw the Predator floating away, and I was like.. BAH!? where's he going? and where's the alien... then after about 2 mins, he finally gets to the alien... And how strong does a boney alien Tail have to be to lift up a 300 lb predator?

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Actually, the design of the aliens in each Alien movie vary, it just wasn't terribly noticable in the earlier films. I haven't seen the trailer myself... to me, this movie is simply a "for the fans" movie as oppose to any sort of "legitimate" line in either Alien or Predator series.

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NO,

Alien - the first Alien design was more of a thing of "creptic beauty" It was ment to look beautiful and scary at the same time... (note its graceful movement when it's approaching Lambert, to kill her).

Aliens - In Aliens, Giger Redid the design slightly, to make it more rigid and made it have more contrast (note the nearly white risen areas) and also, added the good 'ol bumpy head. This isbecause they are HIVE aliens, and don't need the protective dome that the Alien in 1 had.

Alien 3 - Giger again, redesigned the Alien. Even though this was a rogue alien, like in the first one, the same design couldn't be used because a dog was the host. However, it still had the smooth head.

Alien Retardation err.. Resurrection - Giger was totaly taken out of the design process, and wasn't even given credit for "Original Alien Design" of course he sued. Ok, now these aliens were redesigned because the alien was now combined with human DNA (Riply's). So their skin seemed smoother, and you couldn't make hardly any differenciation between the new alien body, and Pumpkinhead's body. It's legs are horrible, because they walk like pumpkinhead to, on their toes. Ok.. the Alien was given fans on it's tails... just because, and it's hands look like the Cab driver's hands from total recall (which was done much better) The Aliens now have "Fins" on their forearms... (WHY?) They have Vampire Teeth, also, instead of having the law look like streched skin (like it did in the first couple) it looked like chared flesh (It seems Biomechanics can't really be done right by anyone except for Giger). And lastly, even though there WAS a hive, they all had smooth heads.

Alien Vs Predator - Takes place BEFORE Alien Ressurection, so u'd think that there'd be NO reason to have the Aliens look the sameas they did in Resurrection.. right? WRONG! just shows how stupid Hollywood is now days..... THEY USED THE EXACT ALIEN DESIGN AS THEY USED IN RESURRECTION! WHY!?!?! Oh, and they made a new design for one.. the "Grid" alien.... which is the exact same thing as the regular alien, but he survives an attack from a Predator Net, and has a Grid on his SMOOTH head. This is just horribly retarded, and they should have went with the design from "ALIENS" cause there is obviously a Hive, and their DNA is not mixed with human DNA yet, so there should be no reason NOT to use the ALIENS design...

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thats pretty fu*ked up right there.now i dont even wanna see it really.

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Am I the only one who liked Resurrection? I thought it was a great little flick and was pleased that you got a decent view of the aliens rather than them being hidden in darkness the whole time.

As for AvP, it looks a little corny, but it's not the kind of movie I would expect to be realistic or a contribution to serious films. I expect to see lots of things die and multiple things blow up. If it does that, I'll be happy enough. Isn't that what you want from a mindless action movie anyway?

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I liked it too. And I appear to share your opinions on the matter.

Can you say "stuck-up"? It's a movie man. It's not a piece of art, and it wasn't meant to be. It was made for enjoyment. Sit back and watch the damn thing. God I HATE when people overanalyze movie.

Wanna overanalyze something? Watch Fight Club.

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I never noticed, nor cared. The first two movies were great, third was alright, and fourth was crap. Going to see AVP because I feel the need to and nothing better to do.

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I'm going into the movie expecting Aliens, Predators, and Humans killing eachother. If it has that I'm happy.

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Resurrection is my favorite Alien movie.

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Actually I think like Predator, Avs.P takes place before ANY Alien movie.

Anyways, yeah it does seem kinda corny but for mindless action (like the Matrix) I don't mind seeing it.

Maybe the Alien that runs the Pred through is a young Queen? They have longer tails don't they?

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Yeah, it could be a queen? Because in aliens that the queen had a really huge tail, and lifted those grates and stuff.

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in the games, those type of aliens were called 'praetorians". I haven't played AVP recently, but I remember they looked a lot like xenomorphs, but were nearly twice as hard to kill.

And as for the aliens looking different in each movie-- well, it may be a subspecies of alien. Saying that all aliens have to look the same is like saying that all birds or dogs have to look the same, regardless of breed.

however, it looks like the predators kick a** in the movie, though. I can't wait to see their new equipment.


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Personally, my views on the Legacy series (1-4, VHS boxed set as i don't have Quadrilogy) were:

Alien: The movie was pretty well done for its release date (1979), and was much more stylistic than the other films. Alien design (don't know the name for this one) was pretty good, given the fact that it was a man with disproportioned libs in a rubber suit. This movie is also the only Alen film i've seen that was later spoofed (the diner scene from Spaceballs comes to mind)

Aliens: If you want action, this is where to go. I enjoyed this the most of the original 3 movies, as there seemed to be more of a story, and much more character development than the original. Alien design (Xenomorph) was deffinately one of the best. Each alien generation also seems to be different, and so this one differs from the original Alien. As for reasons for being different, my guess would have to be evolution, as Aliens still need a host in order to gestate (queens only lay eggs containing facehuggers after all).

Alien 3 Deffinately the worst film in the series. Poorly-constructed plot (compared to the predecessors), overuse of explicit language (the only movie i've ever seen where this worked was "Snatch"), and acting that fell just below the bar. Alien design was essentially a fusion of the original with a canine spraypainted red (difference here is probably in the host, rather than evolution. The first generation of any alien type seems to have the smooth head).

Alien: Resurection In all honesty, it was enjoyable, and was probably the funniest film in the series to date ("Identification please...."). Characters were very different from the originals (some things were good, whilst others... not so good). Alien design wasn't the absolute worst, but not the best either. It was just essentially a Xenomorph with the head of an Alien (from Alien) stitched on. I remeber hearing Giger saying that the new design looked like a turd (the fact that it had a brown tint didn't help). The only real triumph of this design, is that it was able to move much more fluidly (thanks to the CGI) that any of the others (with the possible exception of the one from Alien 3).

As for AVP, don't really know. It looks good as an action film, and I'll probably go and see it anyway (my family will drag me along). I'll pass judgement on it when i've seen it.

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Alien was awesome. Aliens somehow managed to be even better. Alien 3 sucked *** and it completely destroyed everything that was established in Aliens, within the first 10 minutes of the movie. Alien: Resurrection was alright, but compared to Alien 3 it kicked *** .

My opinion, anyway.

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Actually Cameron himself redesigned the Alien for the second movie, and Giger got all pissed off. The reason Cameron took the dome off was because he thought it looked more interesting. The design was also simplified a bit to make the Alien costumes more manoeuverable.

I think the change in each Alien's design owes just as much to the change in each director's style as it does for logical reasons. For instance, in the third film Fincher worked a lot with brown shades. The Alien in the film was a much browner colour.

Also, each Alien design had a different number of fingers. No logical reason, just director's preferance.

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I liked Ressurection. It wasn't really scary like the first two, but it stood on its own as a decent science-fiction movie. I also thought it was funny how at the end the Earth is destroyed by the spaceship.

AND I believe it was written by Joss Whedon, who later went on to make Firefly. The mercenary crew is kind of an early blueprint of Serenity's crew.

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Young xenomorphs have domed heads. After I think a week or so, the dome develops the ribbed look. Much like the development of an infant brain.

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Joss wrote it originally, but apparently it was so severely mutilated by the director that he has disavowed all connection to it.

I thought it was stupid that they sent a large spaceship into the Earth at the end of Resurrection. The characters didn't realise it would probably wipe out all life, so I think we can blame that on Mr. "logic is unimportant" Director.

As with any "versus" movie, AvP will probably be a pretty straight-forward flick, with a bunch of Aliens and Predators kicking the **** out of each other and the pansy-*** humans stuck in the middle. And as long as that occurs, and the movie doesn't last much more than two hours, I'll be pretty content.

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are u sure, I know for a fact that I saw concept art for Aliens by Giger. Also... Xenomorph isn't a name... it's a description.... I don't want to get into this whole argument again, but Xenomorph simply means "Strange Form".. and the only reason it was used in any of the movies is because Gormon was the new LT. in Aliens, and he wanted to sound cool, so it was his dressed up way of saying "we don't know what it is" I know that the AvP games called them Xenomorphs, but no movie referrs to them as that.. not even the god aweful Ressurection. and I'm sure (again agenst the games) that you'd be able to tell if it's a young queen or not.. in Alien 3, on the queen Chestburster (at the end) you can see it's crown.... meaning it has developed that look before it comes out... not later.

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Maybe Giger did some art and it was rejected or something. Either way, I know he was very bitter about not having any involvement. Cameron is a bit of a control freak, and likes to do most of the concept design in his movies.

I think "Xenomorph" is just a general term to desribe an alien lifeform. But it's a term that's got a bit out of hand, it wouldn't surprise me if it was used in the AvP movie.


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Yea, its justa movie. if i go though, ill probably go to see the predetors.

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Flirbnic and i have decided that we'll be very disappointed if the humans win.. i'm all for Aliens, or Predators, theyre both so immensely telolicious, and gorgeous. Humans are just kinda.. meh.

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I guess you're right, I just found this on a Giger Site http://www.hrgiger.com/james_cameron.htm

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well, I know that Giger came back for 3... here's some of his concept art

http://www.giger.com/Home.jsp?middleURL=/Alien/index.jsp#

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That's right. But apparently he refused to leave Switzerland for the job. With the third film's troubled production, there were some communication problems. He also had some ideas that were rejected (like an Alien with big lips). So even with some participation, he was quite bitter about the third film too.

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Giger sounds like a stuck up jerk.

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I've heard the opposite. I'm sure I'd be bitter if someone took my creation and then suddenly changed it into something stupid.

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BTW, this movie sucked horribly.... I was laughing during the majority.. not to mention the CG Queen Ran like T Rex from Jurassic Park

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Well, that's me going to see the Bourne Supremacy twice on my next day off then...

Cheers Spi

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