Many many of you Massassians are great JK duelers.

That said, many of you know that JK saber fighting is ruled by the ins and outs of lag - whoever can predict lag can take on armies.

So I get JA going - what's the main factor? It's obviously not lag like JK, because everyone has cable and pings under 100.

Are there any particularly advanced JA saberists who can help me out here?

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Firstly, All that JK sabering relys on is luck, that and whoever can get the lowest (Yes, lowest) framerate.

Secondly, JA is also based on luck. I played JA online for the first time was playing a saber only FFA and I won by miles. There is very little skill involved, it's just button mashing.

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Framerate and lag are two different things. A low framerate is going to make it harder for YOU to play, as you aren't going to be accurately seeing what is going on. However, having lag at your end can work to your advantage. You can also greatly use your oppenents lag to your advantage, too.

Lag can still be used in JA games, too. Not everyone has cable connections. In fact, I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of dial up users still around.

The main aspect of skill in any FPS is knowing the game, good mouse co-ordination, and quick thinking and fast reflexes. As long as you can get your crosshairs on your target fast, you can rule any FPS. JA has no real secret to being a great saber dueler, just so long as you know the saber system, and how to get the most out of it. Such as knowing when to use force powers and knowing the combo moves.

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I mean a low framerate. With a low framerate it makes you harder to hit, it makes you teleport on the other persons computer. If you have a low framerate and a low ping you can win easily because it seems for the other person that your ping is really high when actually, it's not.

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Well, that's why I always thought that those games should have had a block button. Make you have to think a bit more for dueling.

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"I'm seriously going to hump you until you scream like a banshee!"

Still not sure if I want this game. I was very impressed with JO's saber fighting system, and it seemed to me in the JA demo that they reduced saberfighting back to buttonmashing. :\

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I thought the JO saber system was awful.

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Well I loved it

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The JA saber system can be called buttonmshing, but you'll know when you're fighting a rookie, and when you don't in MP. Really, it takes lots of practice.

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Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

I think JA is awful. Terrible game IMO. SP is boring and the cutscenes are downright laughable. MP, well lets just say I joined a game for about 20 seconds then left. I just don't care for the style of gameplay.

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[=-"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does;
Even if you murdered or robbed, years wrong, but God loves;
Take one step toward him, he takes two toward you;
Even when all else fail, God supports you." - Nas-=]

So, like, I was about to go get JA with a best buy giftcard I got for christmas, actually. Think that's a bad idea?

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I dunno... I actually like JO better. :/ I only asked for JA for Christmas so I could complete the series thus far.

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[=-"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does;
Even if you murdered or robbed, years wrong, but God loves;
Take one step toward him, he takes two toward you;
Even when all else fail, God supports you." - Nas-=]

Get it, I need beta testers.

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Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

JA MP is far superior to JO MP in almost every way, except perhaps for the lack of good maps, but you can always import the maps from JO into JA, so there's no worries there.

Also, JA's saber system is far superior to JO's, as well. It is definately not buttonmashing. Sure, you can buttonmash, but find a duel server with a skilled player on it and your *** will get kicked several times in a row.

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Moo.

Not to be mean or anything but: bull**it If you can learn saber moves than you can do much better fighting. If you take the time to learn how to do stuff than you can do amazing moves that will kick your opponents a$$. Otherwise it is luck.

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Light And Darkness

Its all about the saber and yaw exploit. Besides that, when it first came out it was all fun and stuff, but now everyone just became lame and now all theres just jump whores who jump and attack, yaw WAHOREs, ya

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[This message has been edited by Nauree (edited December 28, 2003).]

Okay... seriously.... xizor... MOVES? There were two moves. Normal swing and secondary swing. if you somehow count each swing dircetion and... oh i dunno... jumping while you swing... thats 5 different kinds of 'moves' in Jk. JO/A's saber system is fas superiaor because its got that damage model system (i think thats what its called) which means the saber actually deflects when things hit it, and it knows when it is touching things (like how you take damage if someone is just rubbbing theur saber against your leg but not actually swinging it).

Not to mention JA has different types of sabers and sabber styles... you can get so much more realistic saber moves. Now yes... there's always the newbie button mashers who make JA's saber system look like crap, but theres also something nice/realistic about it. You can own them with guns, like rockets, repeaters, or even the E11. If some idiot keeps doing combos like that dual saber force saber throw circle thing, shoot them with the conc or the rocket. They will get the idea that it's not the best idea, or if they dont they will lose terriblly. Thats why the animations for those movies are noticable even before the damage can be made. It's so you can get your *** out of there and shoot at them, because they are defensless on most of the combo attacks. I would say JA's sabers are less based on luck, and more on timing. If you get in there at the right moments (not when some idiot is just sitting there mashing his right and left mouse buttons, but right after they are done) you can easily win.

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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited December 28, 2003).]

Not really, There are very few moves really. Whatever you do it's basically button mashing, there is a little bit of skill involved in doing a specific move at the right time, however it's usually luck that your opponent will be got by it, for example the rolling stab anyone who has played the game before will simply move out of the way.

'amazing' moves? No. There is nothing special about them and there are a very limited number of moves, nobody is going to be amazed by the moves unless they've only had the game 10 minutes.



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Well, if you don't like the JA saber fights, what do you want improved? The moves and stances? The saber fighting must have be good while easy to control in my opinion. It shouldn't be greatly "complex."

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I believe the problem with the overall lightsaber system is that it doesn't force you to block all that much. Even in Jedi Outcast/Academy, people still rely on slash and retreat. I also never felt like I had control over my blocking or parrying. I guess Soul Calibur II spoiled me with its deep fighting system....

yeh me.

Advice.

Don't duel with me you'll lose!!!!


bwahahaha

i dont know what makes us good or not, keeping your wits about you, knowing how to counteract moves of the oponent, knowing what forces and styles work best.
And being a complete freaking nerd helps.

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I'd prefer if it was much more complex, also more like the movies no running around trying to run past someone swinging a saber clumsily. I'd rather have much more control over what happens the ability to make it swing how I want. For exaple a system of setting up custom swings in which you could mess with the range, power, direction and allow you to chain a few moves togeather then use your own against others. Also a better blocking system would be much better along with staying close to your enemy and not running around too much to make it more like the movies.

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Well, the only way to get the best saber fighting experience is if you had some "fishing rod" -like controller that is based on motion. But we are using keyboards now. Maybe if JA had a better physic engine that is design for saber alone...

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JKWhoSaysNi - It's not luck. It's only about luck if you're an idiot who's too stupid to bother to learn to do it right.

Your advice is absolutely horrible and you obviously don't know what you're talking about, so get out of my thread kthxbye.

Now, do we have any REAL advice?

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How would the player be able to block an attack on a keyboard? A button for defending?

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You say that yet you're the one asking how to play JA. Unless of course you are refering to what I said about JK, but it is luck, There is no "learn to do it right" because it's simply running around trying to second guess where your opponent is going and then trying to hit them with the double slash. There is no real skill involved.

Also, it's rude to say "get out of my thread". You posted this on a public message board as if you wanted the opinions of the people here... unfortunatly for you, it would seem, I am one of the people here.

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/me prays that this won't turn into a flame war.

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Moral: Keep your mouth shut if you're full of bull.

Ok, because of unhelpful [people] like JKWhoSaysNi, who give advice in fields they obviously know nothing about, I had to find out the hard way.

It comes down to range and timing, mostly - range determining both if you'll hit them and how much damage you do. Timing determines whether you'll hit them at all, and then if you'll do so without getting hit.

Then there's stuff to do with the mouse to modify strikes, and apparently damage is regional, so there's lots to do to make strikes more powerful.

JkWhoSaysNi, you know nothing.

Since I figured it out for myself, no thanks to you, this thread is over. Lock please.

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Just when this thread got interesting

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Echoman, I disagree. I believe the sabering system is able to be much improved, *especially* with the mouse. I wish the glyph system had been ironed out - they were really on to something. Hell, even if you let the player create their own predetermined move and then somehow stored the animations in their own profile - that would even be satisfactory, for now..

I think what it comes down to is how much control you give the player. To me, the more, the better. It infuriates me that the sabering is so clumsy.. I don't have any control at all about what goes on. Hell, my oppenent is more than 30 feet away from me MOST of the time. That's an atrocity. It's unfun, and stupid. Give me more control and stop making me use a lightsaber with the skill of a 2-year-old, and then we'll be in business.

I won't truly be satisfied until it gets to the point where there are NO predetermined animations.. everything will be done by the player.. the stroke of the lightsaber..

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At any given time, the player should decide where his lightsaber is.. not some stupid animation.

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That is all.

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Freelancer

That's awfully rude of you Check. JK is right in saying that there is luck involved. How do you think I beat you at dueling all those times?

I think there is only one way to settle this

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Checksum, are you talking about JA? You're the one asking about it, yet you're yelling at him and calling him wrong? Your attitutide is really uncalled for. You don't need the, "You are so damn stupid, I am so ****ing awesome, lock this thread so I get the last word and look like a god of the forums!" attitude to prove yourself right.

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I'm with freelancer. I could be completely wrong about this, but I personally think it would be better if when two people are dueling, more of the controls are focused on saber control than movement. Sure, the player needs to move- in the movies they dueled all over the place... but they were always STUCK to eachother... in seems to me that in JK and JO (and I'm assuming JA, but I've never played it online) that saber fighting is more of a jousting contest... charge and swing, turn around, and repeat. :x

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OH your talking about JK i thought you were talking about JA. Yah your right there. It is just button mashing but i tend to use the secondary fire and come up right beside who im fighting. My bad. Drinks all around.

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Light And Darkness

Correction, some people tend to use that as a strategy indeed, though for me (staff user) it's way more handy to fight up-close, it creates better possibilities of hitting.

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Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

Why do I almost always agree with you? Also the glyph system that was going to be used in Obi Wan. Can someone indulge me on it? I heard it's suppose to be very unique in which you hold down the left mouse button, move the mouse in the direction you want to swing, and release it. Is that right?

That's... interesting, to say the least, but I think it'd be very hard to handle or get used to... it's very difficult to drive a mouse where you want it. just open up MS paint and try drawing lines

Sure, some of us can do it with practice, I suppose... but I know that I, for one, can't do it... X_x

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