My sister showed me this: http://zaproot.com/2008/10/bye-bye-bottled-water-zaproot-060/

Skip to :50 or so, and then keep watching for the graphs...

That girl is very cute.











































































Oh and I still will try to avoid eating anything with HFCS in it. This includes some breads even. :/

The anti-HFCS claims are all bunk. It's essentially a slander campaign put forth by sugar manufacturers because HFCS is taking away from their profits. Anti-HFCS advocates claim a link between HFCS and obesity... the problem is American culture and diet habits, not HFCS.

I love the graphs.

CORRELATION IS CAUSATION HAHA :downs:

Also, the organic food movement is sickening. These people want to replace perfectly safe, cheap, efficient high-yield crops with expensive, low-yield alternatives. It's a step half a century in the wrong direction. World hunger is an ever increasing problem, and it's not physically possible to solve using organic crops. You literally would not have enough food to feed everyone.

Stop having babies.

Emon speaks the truth. However, 'organic' also offers a non-chemical pesticide alternative which is something worth considering.

'Organic' replaces chemical pesticides on the outside of the plant with chemical pesticides on the inside of the plant.

Here's a good example: the potato. It's a member of the deadly nightshade family. If it's threatened - that is, if the root is being nibbled on, or it has a disease, or it's above ground - it releases lethal toxins. You can tell because that potato will be green.Other plants have similar (although usually far less extreme) reactions to infestation.

A diet high in fructose, sucrose, glucose or any other simple starch will potentially result in insulin resistance regardless of the source of that sugar. In this particular case the data is correct, but the situation would be exactly the same if manufacturers were using more expensive sweeteners. We eat too much of this stuff, period.

The one hippy ideal i can stand behind behind is free love, I would free my love all over her.

At least the commercial they critique is better than the pro-HFCS camp's last one, which featured a guy with a popsicle and sounded humorously insincere.

Generally, as has been said, I think it's a matter of lifestyle and diet changes that happened to take place after the introduction of HFCS. I have however read of HFCS not suppressing appetite the way sucrose does, so it might help encourage overconsumption of sweets. It wouldn't be a problem at all, though, if we ate healthier in the first place.

Organic food has some very real environmental benefits, but its requirements are not really based on any sort of confirmed knowledge about what is best. Some of them just happen to work out that way. I'm also not convinced that organic food has any health benefits beyond those conveyed indirectly by its environmental benefits.

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What the **** is inorganic food?

I've had a can of Dr. Pepper made from actual sugarcane sugar, and I have to say, it tastes a hell of alot better then HFCS soda.

Thats just me.


Its all going to give you cancer and kill you eventually anyway, its inevitable, so open the hatch and down it goes.

Also, I concur with emons statement as well.

Two links that talk about HFCS with science, as opposed to rhetoric:

http://lifespotlight.com/health/2008/04/18/what-sweetener-should-you-choose-sugar-honey-agave-nectar/

http://lifespotlight.com/health/2008/11/03/why-high-fructose-corn-syrup-is-worse-than-sugarand-why-its-not/

Wait, what are you arguing, exactly? Because those articles back up what Jon`C and I have said.

But she's beautiful. She wouldn't lie to me.

The thing I dislike about HFCS is the taste. If you have a trained sense of taste, Dr. Pepper made with corn syrup tastes like marshmallows. It's disgusting as hell.

I eat certain organic foods - mostly dairy. I honestly don't care about the environmental benefits and I'm not stupid enough to believe in the health benefits. I find that a lot of organic foods are just higher quality.

For example: Non-organic sour creams and yogurts contain gelatin to extend the shelf life of the product and to conceal the fact that almost all of the milk fat has been extracted for other products. They also add acid to artificially sour the product to conceal the fact that it's not actually sour cream or yogurt.

I also avoid bleached flour, because it's the most pointless, unhealthy and disgusting-tasting human endeavor (including scat porn). Flour turns white on its own. Bleaching flour is the ultimate expression of malevolent greed.

I also avoid canola oil and margarine, but in all honesty this is because they either taste bad or don't have good characteristics. Safflower oil is an excellent substitute for any use of canola - similar characteristics but no taste whatsoever. I only ever use margarine as an ingredient, so I was able to substitute it out of my diet entirely without significantly increasing my risk of heart disease. Although I will admit that anything fried in butter automatically tastes 100 times better.

I'd **** her

I can see this being true, though it bothers me that many people think organic is necessarily better. A lot of organic produce, for example, is better simply because it's local produce. Fruit that is picked early then shipped across the nation and treated with ethylene to force ripening is never going to be as good as local fruit that is picked when naturally ripe.

ironically...

The success/marketability of organic food mostly represents an orthogonal reaction to a deeper-seated dissatisfaction with our industrial food system. People are cynical about how much processing goes into everything and eager to believe that eating something "real" conveys some sort of benefit. While I feel the organic movement as a whole is somewhat misguided, it does touch on some real issues such as those you mentioned.

I also find pop sweetened with cane sugar to taste better, but I've never done a same-brand comparison so it is difficult to reach any conclusions.

I'm not aware of ever having eaten anything with HFCS used in it.

Lol burgerboys

Actually, I still agree with Emon BUT I have to agree with Jon'C because he brings up a very good point -- quality.

For example, theres a grocery store around (Wegmans for those of you familiar to the area) here who has delved quite a bit into organic food supply, and one day not realizing, I grabbed a bunch of bananas that were organic. The taste of the organic bananas compared to the regular bananas was VERY noticeable. I even persuaded several of my friends to blind-taste-test them and tell me which had more flavor and sweetness, to which they all concured that the organic product was higher quality.

The disadvantage? Organic products do not keep well.



Also while we are on topic, anyone tried that Truvia stuff they have been pushing? I detest all artificial sweeteners but I guess this one isnt really "artificial" as much as it is a "substitute". Wondering how it stacks up against the actual sugar.

...all soft drinks in Canada are sweetened with HFCS.

[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

I used to make cheese sauces by melting a big brand cheddar cheese (like Cracker Barrel) into a white sauce. It worked really well, but a few months ago I noticed that the cheddar just wasn't melting like it used to. It had a waxy, granular texture. We're talking about something that's basically casein and fat here - I mean, what the hell are they adding to cheese that keeps it from melting right? This wasn't just a bad batch either. And it tastes weird too.
I've actually taken to using velveeta for cooking - the pinnacle of processed food - because it works better than "real" cheese. It actually melts, I mean, unlike whatever fillers they're putting in cheddar now. Major-brand cheese can't be used as an ingredient.

Recipes that call for sour cream and yogurt don't work right with this fake stuff either. These products are supposed to have milk fat in them, not gelatin or tapioca powder. It doesn't work the same way. Major-brand sour creams and yogurts can't be used as ingredients.

Oh, how about recipes that call for peanut butter? Because - get this - major food companies (like Kraft) extract all of the peanut oil from their peanut butter and replace it with vegetable oil. Because they're cheap, greedy, and evil. Major-brand peanut butter cannot be used as an ingredient.

Believe me, if they could find some way of more cheaply and reliably manufacturing food products I'm the first one on the bandwagon, but none of this garbage can actually be used for anything. It's being driven by pure, shameless greed.

Costco sells these big jars of almond butter that's nothing but unaltered almonds. Unlike pure peanut butter, which tends to be gritty, bland, bitter and easily separates, pure almond butter is sweet and delicious.

Adams Extra Crunchy is where its at for peanut butter.
Almond butter is awesome too. But I still love peanut butter.

I used to be into organic stuff quite a bit, but I don't care much anymore. Locally grown foods are better, and often not certified organic.

I can't stand HFCS in drinks. Major soda brands still taste terrible with cane sugar though. The smaller outfits make much higher quality stuff. Major brands don't even make a proper ginger beer anyway, so they suck no matter what.

Eh I can't even taste that Dr. Pepper 24 ****. I don't know what's in it but it just taste like carbonated water to me. Just stop drinking soda for a few months, try it again, and you will realize that horrible stuff you thought you liked.

The last soda I had was two years ago on the fourth of July.

It was horrible and I only had two sips. The second one was to make sure it was still horrible.

4.7.07 never forget :salute:

I was going to post this one before I saw you beat me to it. lol

Organic does tend to taste better, I have to say. But yes, its health and environmental benefits tend to be overrated.

And while this only applies to meats, the growth hormones they give the animals, particularly cattle is having an effect on girls - they're starting their periods and growing mammary tissue much earlier. Generally, meats you get from places that specialize in organic stuff don't have that growth hormone.

(and no, it doesn't make the boobs bigger, just makes them grow earlier)

What really gets to me is groups like Greenpeace that push organic farming on unknowing parties. Some years ago, Greenpeace convinced a third world (African?) nation that they should turn down huge shipments of genetically engineered crops from the west because they were "poison." With those crops, they could have fed a significant portion of their people. Using organic methods, they can only feed a fraction of them. Greenpeace indirectly caused the starvation of those people.

Yea, I agree some organizations need to look at the greater good rather than just their own agenda.

Jesus, that's awful