As someone who had only seen bits and pieces of Star Trek and not really liked it, maybe read a couple of books...

That movie kicked ***! The plot doesn't stand up to any kind of intense examination, but it was thoroughly enjoyable and I'll probably see it again.

I don't know how this relates to what I've said in this thread. If this doesn't have to do with the Xbox Community Game project for Massassi, I have no idea what you're talking about.

If this is about that, I still don't understand what you mean. I submitted a game design proposal because you explicitly stated that Gettleburger would be responsible for an actual document. You and Gettle corresponded to me via e-mail, I replied back, and didn't hear from you again. Gettle replied back once to me saying he'd like to talk it over in #massassi, but I replied back saying that I couldn't drop by when he wanted and asked for a reschedule. He didn't reply back. I e-mailed again, and again, no reply. So perhaps you should ask Gettleburger? And if you're referring to when I said I'd just pump out various ideas regardless even before the first proposal, I have to admit that thinking up an idea that's simple enough AND engaging enough for Massassi to work on and be proud of and is a fairly Herculean endeavor, which was made obvious to me regarding my one proposal. If something has changed since then, I'd suggest telling me instead of keeping me in the dark.

In any case, I find "where's the design document?" to be a disappointing response, especially since you seem more concerned with using it as some form of insult ( ) instead of a relevant query.

I really enjoyed it a lot. I've seen it twice and am planning on going back again tomorrow night.

I kinda liked the time travel/old spock thing. I was kinda hoping they would try to tie it in to the previous movies and such. There are too many conventional reboots going on now. I'm glad to see that someone pulled off a reboot and still respected the "original".

More over, I don't believe that they NEEDED to explain ANYTHING to us as an audience. They could have rebooted it with out explaining it, and there would have been just as many pissed off people.. probably more.

The fact is, you can't please everyone. But I thought it was a very neat idea. I had always wondered if the time line was changed when Scotty gave that guy the formula for transparent aluminum in Star Trek IV, and I would have loved to have seen the alternate time line that was generated when the Borg went back in "First Contact" before the Enterprise proceeded after the Borg sphere. This film kinda takes us for that ride, and lets us see a different version of what could happen. For me, the best Star Trek movies have been based around Time Travel: Undiscovered Country, First Contact, and now the new one.

I think it's cool.

First Contact: Mood, atmosphere, James Cromwell, and the Borg made the movie not time travel. Although, I must say that this is one of the very few time travel movies/episodes that are done well. Season 4 finale "Time's Arrow" of TNG does it well.

The Voyage Home: Whales? Are you kidding me? Which environmentalist group paid of Paramount for that one?

The Undiscovered Country: What time travel??

This?

The Voyage Home was great.

Yesterday's Enterprise was perfect time travel

I think Stargate did it pretty well with it's last episode, but now we're going a bit off topic.

Actually that depends on who you ask.

"Star Trek"'s time travel makes more sense than Yesterday's Enterprise's does IMO. The idea is that, to prevent a paradox, you can't actually change things in the past. What happens is that you make a new timeline when you travel into the past. So you aren't actually changing your timeline but making a new one. If you travel back into the future you're in the future of your new timeline. And you don't have to worry about what happens if you don't invent the time machine in the new timeline, since you already invented it in the OLD one, which doesn't change.

In Yesterday's Enterprise, if it had followed this pattern, the Klingons would have continued attacking the Enterprise D after C went through the time warp thing. However, the C would have made a new timeline which would have been what we know as the Star Trek universe. The "old" timeline would still continued to have existed though.

Star Trek Online is set in such an "old" timeline after Nero and Spock get thrown into the past, starting the timeline seen in "Star Trek".



You mean movie. And yeah I agree.

Yesterday's Enterprise with modern SFX would be *****in' of the highest order. Flaming, torn apart Enterprise on the verge of being destroyed.

No, I mean the last episode.
Also the 2 parter at the end season 7, or 6 I forget.

I'm tired of the Romulans being the fallback badguys.

IT WAS THE ROMULANS!

So its a prequel / sequel / reboot / remake movie...

It was kick *** anyways.

It's a parallel dimension, everything has changed because of the time travel, no need to try and slot it in somewhere along the other movies.

So are the Remans destroyed too in the original universe?

Thats what I am assuming

Does anyone else feel that Klingons must be the villian in the next movie?

I think the series will follow the new batman approach

first we have a well known enemy, romulans, who are this time led by a passionate yet non soldier, like the scarecrow who was well known but just a passionate scientist, not a criminal

then they had the joker who was a brutally insane and savage criminal..sounds like the next star trek movie should have some brutal klingons for a mind blowing experience

they really could carry the romulans a bit farther, tensions between the romulan empire from 2150 up to kirks era were rather harsh due to the earth-Romulan war which resulted in the formation of the neutral zone.

so it's possible with the face that the vulans lost their homeworld they might seek more justice, future romulan or not it'll still probably strain relations even more. but meh.

I'm kinda tired of romulans and klingons, bring me some new aliens...

haha low blow.

I liked it, but my friends didn't. Their main gripes were that the main villain was weak, the plot was unbelievable, and they felt no attachment to the main characters. I honestly can't argue against that, but I'm easily amused when I'm blazed.

Note: To put it in context, none of us were Trekkies.

yeah, that was my bad. i meant the voyage home, for some reason i typed the undiscovered country... still, regardless of the reasons time travel was used, it is still there in the universe, and its no more absurd this time as it was the previous times.

In terms of ridiculousness, a time-travelling black hole could be seen as more absurd as going faster than warp 10 around the sun.



Although I can't say I remember how the hell they managed to go forwards in time again.

Didn't they just go back round the other side of the sun to go forwards again?

Think of every Trek movie that tried new Aliens...1..9 for example

well, yeah. The first movie sucks, but I kinda liked star trek 9.

out of all of the trek movies tho, after 1 10 is the worst movie for me since they completely ruined the Romulans in it... the remens? c'mon... what was that crap.

I mean the Son'a were kinda weird villains in 9, but they were at least mentioned in DS9 and some novels so they weren't to completely new to the series (unless they put them into DS9 because of the movie)

Finally had a chance to see it last night. I loved it. And I was never all that fond of the old ones. I was just not a star trek fan.

Now I really hope they continue with this new series because it was a complete blast.

Hell my girl loved it too, and she usually finds sci-fi boring.

You mean after the romulans you weren't expecting remens to appear?
It was an obvious inevitability.

just wait till the Ramen come....