I like FPSs on PCs more than I do on the console but I don't think they "suck" in comparison. Not as good, but they certainly do not "suck".

Edit: Misread what ya said, nevermind.

Bull****. Controls, while sometimes obviously terrible, are more a matter of personal taste. For us higher mammals, those of us with opposable thumbs, sticks aren't bad. I prefer sticks to a mouse. A mouse is too easy. It's simply a matter of preference - NOT fact.

Graphics I may give, though it requires a big ****ing expensive system and constant upgrades. Think about all the "help I cannot get X game to work right" threads we have here each month. The answer is usually "download drivers". I've never had to download drivers to my NES :downs:.

Less bugs is also up for debate. Bugs are universal. To say one platform has more or less is merely speculation.

As far as insulting people is a good way to get banned, just 'cos someone is the boss of an internet site doesn't make his thoughts, ideas, or opinions any better than anyone those of anyone else.

Also, here's some of my psychology minor showing up:
Matty, are you an only child? Or perhaps you were sickly or ill often when you were younger?

If you prefer sticks to a mouse doesn't change anything. It's still worse at controlling an FPS than a mouse is.

Also, I've never had to send my PC in for a RROD. Point invalidated.

Bugs are universal, and yet bugs that appear in both console and pc, will result in the console version being almost invariably broken compared to its PC brethren.

Also, insulting people is a great way to make your entire argument invalid, as people simply stop caring about anything you say. It doesn't make you anymore right.

Personal preference. No "worse" or "better", just "prefer" and "don't prefer"

I've never had to format my PS3, reinstall the OS in my Xbox, or gotten a virus on my Wii. Point remains valid. Your argument has been defeated. Try a new one.



Look, I can make unsubstantiated claims, too: The moon is made of old recycled newspapers.



Just because you don't like the way I say something, doesn't make what I say any more or less accurate.

You've had no hardware issues of any kind with a PC, ever?

No, it's worse. Period. You even admitted it, saying that the mouse was easier. If you're going to try and argue that playing with a pad is as easy as playing with the mouse/keyboard I think we can certifiably label you insane.



No it doesn't, it doesn't matter if any of those happened to your stuff. You acted as if PCs were worse because they had issues; I simply showed that PCs are not the only things with issues.

Also, there have been numerous instances of the PS3 requiring a format (it even has a backup option), and of the NXE bombing. Your point becomes further invalid the longer you try to argue it.



They're not unsubstantiated. I suggest you re-read my earlier posts about the cost of patching a console game, and the various games that miss out because of it.



Congratulations for repeating what I said. It doesn't matter how much you insult, it doesn't make you right. But it DOES, however, make people regard your posts and information in less of a light, and make people care less and less about what you say, regardless of accuracy.

I guess the point is some people like shooters on consoles and some like them on pc and some like them on both.

And some people or more or less stuck up about it.

Some people just like being wrong.

I think it would be more helpful for Kroko if someone could tell him if it sucked badly on the 360 compared to the PC relative to other PC-to-console FPS ports. Just a thought.

Also, I can't help you out there, as I've only played L4D briefly on the PC and none at all on the 360.

All of this is dumb to argue because they're very much playable on both systems. If more friends have a version of the game for PC than they do 360, buy PC and vice versa.

It's not like L4D requires split second aiming or anything.

that's the first thing I did when I noticed that my new laptop had HDMI. i hooked it up and played JK in 1080p

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I ignored you because it's irrelevant.

No, I'm not an only child, and no, I was not sick as a kid.



I never liked playing games on my PC via the TV. Never had a decent setup (for mouse/keyboard) so it was always annoying.

I do love using XBMC on my macbook though, hooked up to my TV. That is, on the days it works right. Buggy crap!

Not it isn't.



You do realize that Broken Steel was released days later on PC because of glitches with DRM?



Um, CoD4 on 360 was never buggy to begin with and GTA4 the PC version was a god damn mess.



"Massive" fees? Stop being ridiculous. This has not stopped Bethesda from releasing what, 5 updates for 360?



CoD4 does not look as good because it runs at 640p to maintain 60 FPS like I said. Other games that run at 720p with AA, like Fallout 3, look great regardless.



Games that have free DLC available: Burnout Paradise, Rainbow Six Vegas, Gears of War, etc. etc. etc.



Um, the Survival Pack was not a patch. It was released on marketplace and was 101 MB (the patch max is 5 MB).

So does CoD4 look better on PS3 than xbox 360? Since I have both now, maybe I'll get it on ps3 instead.

Blasphemy! Shooting a Smoker reeling you in, or preventing a Hunter pounce requires alot of precision/timing.

They look the same to me

My brother traded in his 360 for the PS3 (stupid, I know), but he loves COD4. According to him, the textures are worse on the PS3, but the view distance seems farther/more detailed.

It's really hard to tell from what I saw though, they both look pretty bad.



Hurr, yes it is. Read wikipedia more.

At least it didn't require 3 patches.

Oh yes it was, ask anyone who actually played it at release.

That's because Bethesda can't afford not to, with as buggy as their games are.

And Fallout 3, like Oblivion, runs terribly, with framerate drops all over the place. Still proving my point.

Much of which was previously paid-for DLC.

I don't see where that 101MB came from, and you didn't get what I said.

Which are just as easily done on the 360.

I'm talking like UT or TF2-sniper-vs-sniper split second timing here.

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So instead of being a moron and buying the DLC the second it's released, wait a week to take time to learn about possible bugs associating with said DLC and wait for a fix so you don't have to download three patches.

That's not even what I brought that up for.

It's still all preference.

Arguing about this is like arguing about your choice of friends. The only time it actually has any merit at all is if your friends have absolutely terrible morals.

I mean, come on, we don't stop talking to someone because they can't do something as efficiently as someone else, do we? (If you do, don't even answer.)


Btw, WASD doesn't beat a thumbstick when it comes to precise movement. With no sensitivity on the keyboard buttons, you can't possibly have the same precision in movement as with a thumbstick.

A thousand dollars will get you a system that performs *significantly* better than an Xbox.



Thumbsticks are nice for moving, but movement is rarely something where precision is super important. And you have to factor in ease of access to the jump button as well.

I was thinking Mirror's Edge, specifically.

I had such a hard time on the PC compared to my PS3 for movement, it was just ridiculous.

Also: jump button for me is always on my mouse.

I'm better on the PC than I am on the 360, although it took me a while to adjust. The lack of fine control for movement is rendered irrelevant by the fact that you'll be running fulltilt 99.5% of the game. Same applies to most other games. In the few areas where you actually would "walk" instead of run, the game slows you down automatically anyway (walking on ledges, over pipes, etc).

As a matter of fact, there's a few moves I can't do on the console no matter how hard I try. Stuff like doing a slide while looking sideways through a doorway. It's impossible to do even with maximum stick sensitivity. I actually get better times in the PC version because of stuff like that.

I'm very aware at that, lol

I was merely pointing it out since most people don't take that into account. There were a few moments where I was better on my PC. But I'd usually kill myself accidentally because I lightly pushed one of the strafe buttons and pushed myself off an edge >.<

Such an advantage isn't usually put to use in such games, so it's usually irrelevant. But that doesn't mean the advantage doesn't exist

The only games where I see that advantage overriding the WASD-mouse advantages are in racing games. That can be solved if you buy a gamepad or wheel, but since that's an additional cost, console wins that round :-/.

I don't see whats so stupid about that.

Also fighting games and 3D platformers.

Well, if you don't count the fact that the 360 and PS3 controller (as well as Wii if you have bluetooth) can be used on a PC/Mac

ok. get two PCs in LAN. play CoD4 or some other bull**** like that. one guy has a 360 controller, one has keyboard and mouse.

see who wins. proof that one is better than the other. if its a draw, then you're both ****ing wrong.

yeah, covered that in my earlier post so didnt mention it again, but you're right.

The Halo 3 engine is to the Halo 2 engine what the Half-Life engine is to the Quake engine. It is a heavily modified engine not a new one.

http://jumphalo.net/halo3.aspx
"Interestingly, Halo 3 is so advanced in terms of graphics now they call the engine it runs on The Halo 3 Engine, which basically is an updated version of the Halo 2 engine"



The Pitt was updated twice. Broken Steel was smooth sailing unlike the PC (minus an achievement glitch).



That obviously wasn't you because CoD4 on 360 was and has been since release an incredibly smooth experience. I don't know what you're talking about.



Most of the patches they released hardly fixed any bugs. They just added new achievements.



Fallout 3 crashes constantly for a large number of PC users, particularly on Vista. Also, the frame rate in Fallout 3 360 is smooth 95% of the time. Oblivion ran poorly, you are right.



Burnout Paradise's first packs were never paid for. Rainbow Six Vegas' last map pack became free after 2 days after it was mistakingly charged for. And free DLC after some time is still free DLC.



http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/offers/0ccf0001-0000-4000-8000-000045410830
It is not a patch but a larger marketplace item. It is still free.

Considering all you're trying to do is nitpick only a segment of an entire set of reasons I provided, I think I can just move on here.

(Plus, seriously, your "reference" for the halo 3 engine? Please, that's gotta be a joke. That place looks like a Geocities page)

What pisses me off is I can't get an official Microsoft black 360 wired controller :(.