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Attack of the Clones is a really deep movie?
2004-08-21, 9:31 AM #1
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/38/clones1.htm
It's a long read, but skim through some of it. So did Lucas intend all of these symbolisms and allusions, or is this guy reading too far into the movie?
2004-08-21, 9:50 AM #2
I liked AotC for the very reasons the author stated, but also disliked it because of poor performances by the actors, and the movie itself being quite boring between action sequences.

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2004-08-21, 9:59 AM #3
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2004-08-21, 10:04 AM #4
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"I'm a nice man."

Just as corny in my opinion.

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2004-08-21, 10:13 AM #5
Yeah, Star Wars always had bad dialogue.

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2004-08-21, 11:19 AM #6
Yah, the bad dialogue was part of the charm of the original trilogy. But it seems as if GL tried to write bad dialogue on purpose for the prequels...

Plus, what the hell is up with Jar Jar?

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2004-08-21, 11:24 AM #7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kyle90:

Plus, what the hell is up with Jar Jar?

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Kind of late aren't you?

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2004-08-21, 12:40 PM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
Just as corny in my opinion.</font>


Yeah, but the acting more than made up for it...

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2004-08-21, 1:39 PM #9
The thing about the new movies is that George Lucas made all the characters Diplomats and Zen masters. It's no wonder the dialogue suffered. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-08-21, 1:43 PM #10
Since seeing Ep2, Jar Jar seems less hated to me... He actually serves a big role in the formation of the empire, He was left as the representivive(gah, spelling, i suck) of Naboo, he was tricked into making the call for the emergency powers for the chancellor, basicly ushering in the emperor... palapatine did not have to take the power, jar Jar was tricked into giving it to him... I don't think I see a better person to blame for the downfall of the republic.

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2004-08-21, 1:49 PM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
Kind of late aren't you?

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Yes, but I couldn't help but rail on what must be the worst use of CGI since... well, I think it set the standard.

Although admittedly, as stated by Grant, Jar Jar was much less annoying in Ep2. In TPM though, there really wasn't much of a point for him to be there (sure, he figured into the plot, but he was in way more scenes than required).

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2004-08-21, 2:52 PM #12
Jar Jar would have been a good part if he wasnt so damn stupid. I actually think lucas added him in so it would be more popular with the females. A lot of the girls "JUST LOVE" jar jar. I also think in Ep 6 the ewoks were kind of the same way. But in the end the more "hard core" star wars fans can't stand them.

But yes I do like the new movies and I think the dialoge is probably worse but I do like the action sequences and so far I havent minded the action sequences in Episodes 1 or 2 yet because I think thats what lucas does best. I think the action makes up for all the mellow parts in the movies.

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2004-08-21, 3:01 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrawn42689:
The thing about the new movies is that George Lucas made all the characters Diplomats and Zen masters. It's no wonder the dialogue suffered. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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It's all beginning to make sense now...

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2004-08-21, 4:05 PM #14
He's a wanna-be intilectual Star Wars nerd! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif]
2004-08-21, 4:11 PM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
Jar Jar would have been a good part if he wasnt so damn stupid. I actually think lucas added him in so it would be more popular with the females. A lot of the girls "JUST LOVE" jar jar. I also think in Ep 6 the ewoks were kind of the same way. But in the end the more "hard core" star wars fans can't stand them.

But yes I do like the new movies and I think the dialoge is probably worse but I do like the action sequences and so far I havent minded the action sequences in Episodes 1 or 2 yet because I think thats what lucas does best. I think the action makes up for all the mellow parts in the movies.

-Xizor

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wtf...

Everyone knows that Ewoks TOTALLY pwn Gungans.

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2004-08-21, 5:31 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phoenix_9286:

Everyone knows that Ewoks TOTALLY pwn Gungans.

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Heh, I agree. The Ewoks stood their ground against all those stormies and AT-STs (with nothing more than sticks and stones for defense), and the Gungan army hid behind their big shield and retreated as soon as it went down.

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2004-08-21, 5:40 PM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phoenix_9286:
wtf...

Everyone knows that Ewoks TOTALLY pwn Gungans.

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True statement, indeed.

I think, though, that everyone has to agree: Tuskens would pwn anyone.
2004-08-21, 6:06 PM #18
Tuskens are like freaking kamkaszies (sp?). They'd charge you even if they knew they'd probably loose. Especially if it was over territory.

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2004-08-22, 4:09 PM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth J:
"I happen to like nice men."
"I'm a nice man."

Just as corny in my opinion.

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I haven't seen the movie for quite awhile, but that was seriously in the movie?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">A lot of the girls "JUST LOVE" jar jar.</font>

Doubt it, they probably would rather see more of Obi Wan.
2004-08-22, 4:59 PM #20
I saw Episode 2 for Hayden Christiansen.

But really, there is some decent acting in the movie. I thought the scene with Hayden and Amidala after he kills the Tuskans was pretty good.

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2004-08-22, 5:46 PM #21
Who would've thought that of all people, Jar Jar brought about the destruction of the Republic and the rise of the Empire.

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2004-08-22, 5:55 PM #22
Before Episode II came out, I made a prediction. Jar Jar would either die, or somehow be responsible for creating the Empire.
I was right.

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2004-08-22, 6:43 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
I don't like sand, it's coarse and irritating. Not like here. Here everything is soft.. and smooth.</font>


No, it's "I hate sand. It's so...sandy. But you're not sandy. And that is why I love you."

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2004-08-22, 6:45 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Vincent Valentine:
I saw Episode 2 for Hayden Christiansen.

But really, there is some decent acting in the movie. I thought the scene with Hayden and Amidala after he kills the Tuskans was pretty good.

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Too bad the scene with Anakin getting the vision of his mother was so badly acted that it look like he was having a wet dream, not screaming in terror.

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2004-08-22, 6:59 PM #25
AotC is a really deep movie. It's just that what it's really deep in doesn't smell that nice.

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2004-08-22, 11:19 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> The presence of such early Imperial technologies as squat walkers invites further doubt as to the moral virtue of the Republican assault, as does the generally right-to-left direction of their attack (the positive direction in film being of course left-to-right) </font>


I never really put much thought into it,but this part is absolutely right. If I try to recall any massed battle-scene in any major film production, the protagnonists frequently have a tendency to be portrayed on the left, facing to the right (TTT - Helm's Deep, ROTK - Minas Tirith and the Black Gate, Saving Private Ryan, Gladiator, and even The Patriot (eugh)). Braveheart and The Last Samurai come to mind as notable exceptions.

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2004-08-23, 11:54 AM #27
I'm not going to look at that site or read anything in this thread. I think it is stupid to analyze anything, especially to assign superfluous meaning to things in a movie relative to the plot or character development. The first two movies of the new trilogy are just as bad as the original trilogy. The only reason anyone seems to justify the crap in the first movies is because they are familiar with them and grew to love them. The only reason they didn't like the new trilogy is because it went beyond what they were used to and criticized it for what it was simply because they could not deal with the truth that everything they hold so dear is tripe. And what the hell is a deep movie?

But yeah, Star Wars is pretty cool... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]
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2004-08-23, 2:59 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I thought the scene with Hayden and Amidala after he kills the Tuskans was pretty good.</font>

I thought that scene had bad acting. Hayden didn't seem that angry in the "I'm the future annihilator of all Jedis". He seemed more angry in the "why didn't you buy me that toy" kind of way.
What makes a movie deep? I don't know, something thought provoking, something with symbolism, something with themes, etc. A movie like 2001 Space Odyssey, I think that was what it was called.
2004-08-23, 3:05 PM #29
Hayden and Amidala after he kills the tuskens was the WORST. SCENE. EVAR.


"I HATE THEM" *cries*



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2004-08-23, 4:39 PM #30
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2004-08-23, 4:57 PM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cloud:
A movie like 2001 Space Odyssey, I think that was what it was called.</font>


2001 > *

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I LOVE that movie. It is a work of art and godlyness.

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2004-08-23, 5:04 PM #32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Trigger Happy Chewie:
Hayden and Amidala after he kills the tuskens was the WORST. SCENE. EVAR.


"I HATE THEM" *cries*

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exactly... hayden is good at acting like a teenager who's parents won't let him borrow the car... not like a younger version of the most badass dark jedi ever...



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2004-08-23, 8:12 PM #33
Ewoks are cool, it was the problem of Ewoks defeating what was supposed to be an elite army that was the problem. Lucas wanted it to be a primitive society I heard, originally on Kashyyyk. Wookiees vs the Imperial Army could easily earn a film an R ratin g.

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2004-08-24, 12:20 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
Ewoks are cool, it was the problem of Ewoks defeating what was supposed to be an elite army that was the problem. Lucas wanted it to be a primitive society I heard, originally on Kashyyyk. Wookiees vs the Imperial Army could easily earn a film an R ratin g.

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Yeah, that would be a sight to see. Arms would be flying all over the place, LOL.

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2004-08-24, 2:49 PM #35
Yeah, but we could just have the Wookies use bowcasters instead of tearing people's arms off. They can also set up traps like the ewoks did.
2004-08-24, 3:08 PM #36
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2004-08-24, 3:18 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cloud:
Yeah, but we could just have the Wookies use bowcasters instead of tearing people's arms off. They can also set up traps like the ewoks did.</font>


True, but not nearly as entertaining, hehe. Besides, it's not like we haven't seen severed arms in Star Wars anyway.

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2004-08-24, 3:48 PM #38
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Linked for side scrolling.

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... Who uses a resolution that small any more? If you have to side scroll for that, you need to get out of the dark ages.

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