I know there are several Terminator fans on this board, but it also is just a straight out bad *** movie.

For those of you that have seen it, discuss.
Those that have not, GO SEE IT.

I loved the TSCC tribute theme music. Awesome. That was probably lost on 90% of the audience, but every TSCC fan I've talked to loved it.
I've only met one person who did NOT like the past throwbacks: "I'll be back" and "Come with me if you want to live" but that's also awesome too.

I read the book a while ago ... and the ending is VERY different.

I was SERIOUSLY scared the whole JC skin on Marcus Wright was going to happen. Though a vet + heart surgery in the middle of desert WTF. But again, the Veterinarian thing was in the book without the heart transplant so maybe in the movie Kate was a real doctor.

Kyle was totally bad ***. (More so than the book)

Star was a huge help (Same as book, though the movie didn't address her being sad at loss of her hat which I though was a nice touch to her character)

The book also did not have ahnorld attacking, instead it was a random 600 model.

ARNOLD

So this kid was trying to get out of the middle of an aisle. on the way exitin he made this really strange noise as he tripped. totally sounded like an ahnold noise. Someone mocked him and ahnold impersonations continued for about 5 minutes. was pretty funny.

It was CRAP.

/SAJNREVIEW

Holy crap, if sajn disliked it it must have sucked!

I'll be seeing it once its out here, but I hear its just as bad as T3. Plus I have absolutely no faith in a guy who's name is McG.

I thought it wasn't that bad. The action scenes at least kept the movie interesting. However, character development, story, and script left a lot to be desired.


How does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John Connor's dad?

I thought it was all too sudden with Claire falling for Marcus. Sure he saved her from those "big bad men," but come on, this isn't some fairy tale damsel in distress story. Furthermore, the dialogue in scene with the two of them didn't help either. "You have such strong arms."

Then there was the instance of the entire Resistance not listening to high command's order of attacking Skynet. Instead they listen to John Connor's plight to not attack. All John tells them is that the "future is at risk" or something like that if they do launch an attack. He could have at least tell them more about the human captives.

Of course this complaint would be irrelevant if they set up John Connor as more of a messiah figure for the Resistance, someone that the Resistance look up to more.

Hopefully, the extended Blu-ray/DVD cut of the movie (30 to 40 minutes of more scene- including a topless scene of Moon Bloodgood) will fix these flaws.

****, I just had a huge reply and just by mistake hit a link with my thumb on the touch pad and deleted everything. So spark notes of what I had:

No clue about Kyle. Yea, odd.

Blaire for Marcus. Well Terminator = quick relationships. Ever heard of Sarah and Kyle?

JC was a commander of a whole base. And.. Why WOULDN'T the others know about the prisoners? It wasn't any secret. The command getting destroyed sets it up perfectly for him being the leader of the resistance. The command said he was already considered a messiah. That would be enough for people to follow his word, no? You must have missed the point where the command said he was the messiah. Maybe it needed more background, but it was pretty clear.

Just got back from seeing it. I loved it.

When Arnold showed up, I **** myself.

I thought the movie was decent, but didnt capture the magic of Terminator or Terminator 2.

I have some question's for people who read the book...

What was the point of giving Marcus a real human heart? Cool symbolism but it seems like an obvious vunerability to build into an infiltrator. I would think a speaker in it's chest could fool the ladies. Did it fool dogs?

Why wouldn't Skynet kill Kyle Reese the second it had him and knew who he was? It's not like it needed him alive to bait John Conner.

Triscuit, the point was:
Skynet sent back a
T-800. FAIL
T-1000. FAIL

omfg a human/terminator REAL cyborg? maybe win.

Yea, logical fail on not killing Kyle (And HOW did Skynet know who he was/what he looked like) and John.

GREAT movie IMO.

Though reading the book first, WTF at the ending.

Yeah I get the importance of a human brain... the heart was still stupid

Purdy awesome movie.

My only beef might be that it felt like it focused a little too much on Marcus, or rather, made him out to be the central character, which is a first in the Terminator series (as it's usually been a Connor or two). I'm sure there'd be some other grips here and there once I see it a lot, but I think it's a good addition to the movies.

I also went in just expecting 1) terminators in action and 2)the terminator theme, and it delivered on both.

Anyone get to use those special DBox seats? They're basically Forcefeedback chairs, I know they're supposed to be rolling out with this movie

The book doesn't have the theatrical ending? I was under the impression it was going to. Anywho, since you have the book there should be a sticker in it or something telling you the password to this file:

http://static.titanbooks.com/promotions/terminator/pdf/Terminator_AltEnding_TitanBooks.pdf

My company published at the Terminator Salvation books, though I still haven't seen the movie.

I don't remember too much of Terminator 1, but I recall Sarah and Kyle's relationship gradually building up. They were on the run together throughout most of the movie and Sarah was the only person Kyle trusted and who also didn't think he was crazy. Compare all of this to a single scene in Salvation with Blaire and Marcus.

Like you said, John was only a commander of the base. On the contrary, Sam Fisher was the leader of the entire Resistance and he ordered the attack on Skynet. Maybe I missed the part where the General said Connor was a messiah, but I only recall him being called a "false prophet" of some sort. Again, there should have be a stronger reaction from Kyle Reese upon explaining to Marcus who John Connor was.

I saw it last night. I liked the basic concept of the new infiltrator, and the movie was filled with pretty neat ideas. However, the movie did warn me twice it was directed by McG before it even began, and I'm getting tired of Bale playing angry Bale. Aside from Worthington and Yelchin, you could practically see the actors reading lines from cards. I'd still put it above 3.

You cannot dislike this movie because this movie has not actually happened yet.

Once you get past this, you must realize that the movie itself does not exist.

If you can even comprehend this, you aren't the type of person that would watch a movie like this anyway.

fixed.

So other than RT, this is pretty much a inaccurate statement.

I thought it was very very marginal. The definition of saying something was "alright".

I too am unsure why they didn't just kill Kyle the instant they caught him, unless they never processed that it was him. I forget if any time before he got sent to skynet during the battles, did he get identified?

Yea, the Kyle thing confuses me.

I am not sure why they didn't kill him.

On the TSCC wiki we were discussing this, and the conclusion was:

Skynet didn't kill JC/KR because they were going to pull a Marcus Wright on them.
What would hurt the resistance more than just killing these people?
Killing them AND infiltrating the resistance and killing everone else....

Actually, although it still seems like to hedge your bets, not to mention the safest move, would be to just kill Kyle right away, I will buy that as an alright explanation. Maybe the machines "calculated" simply that greater impact could result with having them be turned into infiltrators.

I guess I can agree with that logic. Terminators sent to the past weren't interested in extracting information from them, but I can see how Skynet might like to torture future Kyle/John to extract information from them.

Although Skynet could certainly create Infiltrators based on visual and audio recordings of it's encounters with John/Kyle and still do alot of damage.

Especially considering Kyle Reese isnt a major player in the Resistance and has limited useful knowledge, atleast at this point. I guess Skynet doesnt know that.

I was very surprised, I thought it was a really good movie. much better than # 3.

I haven't seen a single Terminator movie.

T2 is the movie you should see then. James Cameron intended that the terminator universe ended with T2. But ****tards think its good to milk it some more.

Yes, T2 was an amazing movie. It might seem slightly, and I do mean SLIGHTLY, outdated, but it's something anyone who likes action movies can appreciate.

T2 is a ground breaking film for its time. It is one of the first few movies that completely married CG to film in a photo realistic way. If it didn't look good, if it didn't look real they wouldn't of done it. This is the reason why a 10 year old movie that relies on so much CG only looks slightly outdated. James Cameron is the ****ing man.

Every time I see this thread, I keep wanting to post another one titled "Terminator: Salivation", then I remember that it's forbidden

Well I finally had a chance to see it last night. I figured it was the last week in theaters so I dragged the girlfriend (whom was kicking and screaming she didn't want to see it). Turns out we both enjoyed in. We both went in for an action flick and it certainly delivered.

Personally I found the story fine and didn't think too much on the why's and if's. Usually, if you do that, you'll just end up disliking it, along with probably the majority of other movies out there. The heart probably pumped warm blood through him for infra-red scans. The more human parts in the cybord the less likely someone is going to go what the f!

I loved it and now would like to read this book too.

Aye

What I want to know is how there are any machines left given that nukes = EMP blast...

Admitedly I didn't really understand the ending, where he says the war isn't over. I thought that was the skynet headquarters? ... now its gone? Or is the skynet board not actually at the skynet headquarters?

woah semi necro post. at least for massassi.

Martyn, I'd say don't bother with the actual movie book. pretty much the same except for a different ending. you can read it in 20 seconds at the book store.
I've been reading the prequel over the past month and it is pretty cool. gives a lot of background info on kyle and and williams and other people.

Jep, yea, the ending is WTF.

What made me love the setting was how Fallout 3 esque the whole thing felt The setting, especially in the city where Marcus meets Kyle, and random refugees hiding out and willing to gun one another over basic ressources. It also reminded me of the setting in my own novel, which only got me more excited in a way.

For visuals and style, I really enjoyed this movie. The action was great, the setting was excellent. I liked the Marcus Wright character a whole lot and John Connor was also pretty neat (He looked just like my Fallout 3 character Shepard, haha)

lol, never played Fallout 3. But that's cool.

That makes me want to play it now too bad my PC is a POS.

If I had Fallout 3 on the PC I'd probably start cracking on a Terminator mod