Um, I never said polygamy is wrong. And the 50 years time thing supports MY argument quite nicely, thank you. Lesson being stop being so close-minded.
Also you don't think anything about this world is black and white?
I'll keep that in mind when I rape and murder your parents and crap down their throats before sending you a video tape of the whole thing dubbed with me singing "wheres the grey in this my love?"

*coughcoughspitspechblech*

Ugh, had to get rid of all those words you stuck in my mouth. I don't know how you magically deduced my views on polygamy, but you are utter fail. It's still a separate issue.

Yeah, BobTheMasher excels at telling other people what (he bizarrely thinks) they think whilst saying we cannot see his point.

I've given up on trying to make him see reason now, so I'm just doing a bit of humorous posting before I'm off to Melbourne for a 21st party weekend ;D

Deadman, I clearly don't understand your point. What exactly are you arguing with the "50 years time" thing? If it supports YOUR point, it sure sounds a lot like your point is the same as mine, in which case I don't understand why you're arguing.

And don't try to pull that rape and murder thing as "proof" that there are things that are black and white in this world. It's a silly argument. What is "murder"? What is "rape"? Do you define murder as killing, or as UNJUSTIFIED killing? Is rape having sexual contact with someone who doesn't want it? What about statutory, then, a 17 year old girl has consensual sex with a 21 year old boy...under the law, that may be rape.

Yeah, your situation is so absurd that it's pretty easy (especially for me, being the subject of it) to figure out where I stand on it. But that doesn't mean it's "black and white".

And Vin, granted, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, exactly. I'm saying yeah polygamy is a separate issue, but it's analogous and relevant to the argument I'm making, in that it falls under the same category (to me) as any other kind of personal lifestyle, including homosexuality, heterosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or anything else, and it is ESPECIALLY analogous because unlike bestiality and pedophilia, it is very difficult to explain what is so wrong with it (without bringing in religion), just like with homosexuality.

Edit: Deadman, you're totally right. I won't try to see your viewpoint anymore, nor will I attempt to explain mine. I'll just go on letting you guys misunderstand or misinterpret my point of view, and I'll continue to misunderstand or misinterpret YOUR point of view, and no one will learn anything from each other. If I don't tell YOU what I think you mean, I'll never know if I'm correct in that interpretation or not. But please, continue to be dismissive. It's your right.

I only just started to be dismissive, unlike you who have been doing it the entire time, extremely so in your last post.
And you weren't just saying what you think I meant, you were flat out telling me "this is what you think" and still are doing so, which is ridiculous.

And yes, my example of the rape and murder of your parents was ridiculous and extreme, which I did on purpose because not only is it clearly black and white (despite your attempts to prove otherwise with the convoluted crap you spewed out in response) it's also a nourishingly ironic reference to your previous gay/pedophile/polygamy examples.

But hey, continue to be dismissive, it's your right

I'm against black marriage. It offends my beliefs. If you're gonna allow all these blacks to marry, it makes you a hypocrite, because I don't see you demanding polygamists the right to marry multiple partners. Also, if you think black marriage is ok, what's next? Pedophilia becomes ok too?

and then pedolygamy rears it's ugly head!

How is asking you what your position is and telling you I don't understand it "being dismissive"? The only reason I'm still here discussing this is because people keep arguing against me in a way that makes me feel like they're misunderstanding my intent. All I keep trying to do is clarify both their intent AND my viewpoint. Clearly I'm failing because you aren't really discussing, you're just accusing.

For example, Krok, if that is directed at me, it seems like you are implying that you're a hypocrite if you defend gay marriage and not polygamy. That is CLOSE to what I am trying to say, but I don't see it with the negative connotation that I think YOU might read into it. I'm saying I'm FOR ALL of that, on the grounds that it's none of my business.

It also seems like you're saying that I'm arguing some sort of "slippery slope" argument that black marriage leads to gay marriage and gay marriage leads to pedophilia and that's horrible. However, the point I'm trying to make is that black marriage leads to gay marriage leads to polygamy and THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THAT IS A GOOD THING. Of course it could potentially lead to pedophilia by some reasoning, but as I stated before, I personally draw the line at "consenting adults".

That was the point I was trying to make with Vin...it seems like you're accusing me of arguing a "slippery slope" argument such that "gay marriage leads to polygamy" is somehow bad. I'm trying to argue that it's good...so I don't understand where the disagreement is.

Some people are getting so angry and sarcastic and I'm just trying to have a DISCUSSION about values. Take a step back, please. I'm not trying to condemn anyone...quite the opposite, really.

No-one at all has said anything about polygamy being bad except for you (when you were telling us we're saying it's bad...), why do you keep saying we are?

I'm not saying you are! I'm saying it SEEMED like you were, and then I explained WHY it seemed like that, and I was hoping you would clarify. Because if you weren't saying it was, I don't understand what your problem with what i'm saying is.

Gay pedolygamy?

Polygamy should be at least a little gay... otherwise it's not really fair.

Polygamy is bad for men, and terrible for society. All it gets us is a bunch of men running around with no chance of ever mating.

And that, sirs, is the purpose of government being involved in marriage. Societal Stability, which is good for everyone except those already shunned by the society, and that is the vast majority.

However, before you get all pissy, homosexual marriage would be a boon, and now that society mostly accepts them, it's possible.