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DVDs are blurry.
2009-06-19, 4:18 PM #1
I am used to HD now.

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2009-06-19, 5:01 PM #2
Steal DrkJedi's collection.
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2009-06-19, 7:43 PM #3
I'm loving my Blu-rays.
2009-06-19, 9:37 PM #4
I settle for nothing less than 1080p now. My goodness it is so beautiful.
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2009-06-19, 9:40 PM #5
Uhhh...TFTI?
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2009-06-19, 9:44 PM #6
It's all a trick by the disk companies and you fell for it!
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2009-06-19, 10:59 PM #7
Does anyone notice that the display TV's in best buy use some kind of anti-noise filter than trashes the picture quality? It's unfortunate because that would be an ideal place to compare PQ in person.
2009-06-19, 11:00 PM #8
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Does anyone notice that the display TV's in best buy use some kind of anti-noise filter than trashes the picture quality? It's unfortunate because that would be an ideal place to compare PQ in person.


Display TV's everywhere generally look like garbage.
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2009-06-20, 8:07 AM #9
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Does anyone notice that the display TV's in best buy use some kind of anti-noise filter than trashes the picture quality? It's unfortunate because that would be an ideal place to compare PQ in person.


Aren't they also splitting one signal between tons of TVs?
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2009-06-20, 8:13 AM #10
Originally posted by JLee:
Aren't they also splitting one signal between tons of TVs?


That would only matter if it was analog.
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2009-06-20, 8:34 AM #11
Originally posted by Malus:
That would only matter if it was analog.


I wonder if they're giving some TVs analog signals, then..? Hrm. I dunno.
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2009-06-20, 8:44 AM #12
I think they use component at Wal Mart, but I'm pretty sure that stores like best buy use HDMI.
2009-06-20, 8:52 AM #13
Originally posted by Onimusha:
Display TV's everywhere generally look like garbage.

The ones in my Wal Mart are absolutely downright ****ty. They're on 24/7, and I've seen the same TVs there for a while. Unless they just throw away the TVs they're displaying with occasionally and bring out a new one.
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2009-06-20, 9:20 AM #14
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
The ones in my Wal Mart are absolutely downright ****ty. They're on 24/7, and I've seen the same TVs there for a while. Unless they just throw away the TVs they're displaying with occasionally and bring out a new one.


being on 24/7 won't make them look ****ty... the massively pumped up contrast and crappy features (noise reduction, 120Hz interpolation features, etc) is what does it

you could leave an LCD or plasma on 24/7 for about 6-7 years before you run into image quality problems related to how many hours the TV has been on... and they change models much more often than that
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2009-06-20, 9:22 AM #15
True that for DVDs, but watch on an upconverting player and it looks a lot better. I used to love my Roku with Netflix watch instantly, but now it's painful unless the movie is in HD, which is really not many. Netflix streams at 720p I think, which is still a huge improvement over standard.
2009-06-20, 9:25 AM #16
Originally posted by Brian:
True that for DVDs, but watch on an upconverting player and it looks a lot better. I used to love my Roku with Netflix watch instantly, but now it's painful unless the movie is in HD, which is really not many. Netflix streams at 720p I think, which is still a huge improvement over standard.


I'm running it on the PowerDVD software that came with my bluray/HDDVD player - WinXP Pro, 23" 1080P...should I be using something else for playback?
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2009-06-20, 10:38 AM #17
no... PCs can easily be good upscalers for DVD
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2009-06-20, 10:50 AM #18
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with standard? I mean, sure, HD resolutions are nicer, but you all sound like you'd hurl if you had to watch stuff on standard anymore. I'd hate to think how you all watch youtube videos or how you'd manage with VHS tapes...
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2009-06-20, 10:57 AM #19
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
being on 24/7 won't make them look ****ty... the massively pumped up contrast and crappy features (noise reduction, 120Hz interpolation features, etc) is what does it

you could leave an LCD or plasma on 24/7 for about 6-7 years before you run into image quality problems related to how many hours the TV has been on... and they change models much more often than that


How does 120Hz interpolation hurt anything?

Originally posted by JLee:
I'm running it on the PowerDVD software that came with my bluray/HDDVD player - WinXP Pro, 23" 1080P...should I be using something else for playback?


I recommend switching to WMPC for all applications that you aren't stuck with PowerDVD like BlueRay. Their software and clunky and terrible.
2009-06-20, 11:01 AM #20
Originally posted by Gebohq:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with standard? I mean, sure, HD resolutions are nicer, but you all sound like you'd hurl if you had to watch stuff on standard anymore. I'd hate to think how you all watch youtube videos or how you'd manage with VHS tapes...


I'm with Geb - I can't afford an HDTV, I've never watched anything in Hi Def on my dad's (very nice) HDTV because they have no blu ray, no xbox, no skyHD yet.

I'm perfectly content with DVD for now.
2009-06-20, 11:43 AM #21
I'm also with Geb. I think people are just technologically spoiled these days. :3
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2009-06-20, 11:58 AM #22
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
How does 120Hz interpolation hurt anything


Yeah, I'm kinda wondering that myself. The 1080p Samsung TV we have downstairs has the 120Hz feature, and frankly, it smooths almost everything out and makes it look a lot better. There is actually quite a noticeable difference when watching a bluray if you have 120Hz (on our tv it's called "Auto-Motion") disabled, and I'd argue after using the TV a lot that it's for the worse.
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2009-06-20, 2:34 PM #23
Originally posted by mscbuck:
Yeah, I'm kinda wondering that myself. The 1080p Samsung TV we have downstairs has the 120Hz feature, and frankly, it smooths almost everything out and makes it look a lot better. There is actually quite a noticeable difference when watching a bluray if you have 120Hz (on our tv it's called "Auto-Motion") disabled, and I'd argue after using the TV a lot that it's for the worse.


There is nothing wrong with using 120Hz since it is the LCM of 24Hz (for 1080p) and 30Hz (for 1080i). Any reasonable implementation should repeat each frame the same number of times. I think the concern is that some processing might do more harm than good.
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2009-06-20, 3:02 PM #24
Originally posted by Martyn:
I'm with Geb - I can't afford an HDTV, I've never watched anything in Hi Def on my dad's (very nice) HDTV because they have no blu ray, no xbox, no skyHD yet.

I'm perfectly content with DVD for now.

I also agree although I'm considering getting an HDTV seeing as game developers insist that realism means slightly varied hues of grey and brown. It's hard as hell to tell whats going on at times on my CRT.
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2009-06-20, 4:44 PM #25
The issue is that large HDTVs make the video compression artifacts on standard DVDs really, really noticeable. I'd rather watch a DVD on a standard def TV than on an HDTV (if there's no upconverting). I wouldn't call myself a tech nut. I think 720p looks awesome even on a 50" screen. The only way I can really tell the difference between 720 and 1080 is if I'm really, really looking for it (on that screen size, anyway, haven't tried larger screens).

The thing I hate about my tv is that when playing in standard def in the 4:3 ratio it puts GRAY bars on the sides instead of black. It makes it really hard to watch.
2009-06-20, 5:15 PM #26
Why would you own a HDTV if you're not going to play any HD console, watch HD programs, or watch HD movies?
2009-06-20, 5:31 PM #27
Do they sell TVs that aren't HD ready and aren't CRT nowdays?
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2009-06-21, 9:52 AM #28
They sell 720p ones.
2009-06-21, 9:54 AM #29
Originally posted by Gebohq:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with standard? I mean, sure, HD resolutions are nicer, but you all sound like you'd hurl if you had to watch stuff on standard anymore. I'd hate to think how you all watch youtube videos or how you'd manage with VHS tapes...


I don't have a problem with it- it's just that I notice the difference now. Kinda like going from a CD to FM radio.
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2009-06-21, 10:01 AM #30
Originally posted by Baconfish:
Do they sell TVs that aren't HD ready and aren't CRT nowdays?


You can find a few small 480p LCDs leftover from the era of "EDTV" when HD was still new, and companies tried to pass off their crappier 480p TVs as similar to HDTVs.

Don't know why you would want one though, since small HD LCDs are as cheap, if not cheaper than most SD CRTs were not too long ago.
2009-06-21, 10:22 AM #31
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
How does 120Hz interpolation hurt anything


it attempts to create frames that never existed... and i don't mean duplicate frames it actually creates new frames digitally based on the position of things in frames 1 and 2

so you get 3-4 new frames added between 2 original frames and those new frames tend to have weird artifacts that can easily make motion seem less natural

these features have improved a bit but they completely fail at 24fps film content

however if these features are turned off you still have a 120Hz refresh rate which is capable of showing both 24fps and 30fps (also 60fps) content at their proper framerates by simply duplicating the frames
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2009-06-21, 10:30 AM #32
Originally posted by Brian:
The thing I hate about my tv is that when playing in standard def in the 4:3 ratio it puts GRAY bars on the sides instead of black. It makes it really hard to watch.


Now is it your TV doing this, or is it your cable/satellite box? I know for example some DirecTV receivers default to showing gray bars instead of black when on SD channels, but you can change it to black bars (and other colors too I think) in the menu.
2009-06-21, 2:09 PM #33
Originally posted by Darth:
You can find a few small 480p LCDs leftover from the era of "EDTV" when HD was still new, and companies tried to pass off their crappier 480p TVs as similar to HDTVs.

Don't know why you would want one though, since small HD LCDs are as cheap, if not cheaper than most SD CRTs were not too long ago.

I'd say HDTV is still fairly new.

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2009-06-22, 8:21 AM #34
Originally posted by Darth:
Now is it your TV doing this, or is it your cable/satellite box? I know for example some DirecTV receivers default to showing gray bars instead of black when on SD channels, but you can change it to black bars (and other colors too I think) in the menu.


I haven't been able to find an option to change it. I actually get this most when I'm using the vcr or older DVD player. I think it's the TV.
2009-06-22, 9:16 AM #35
yeah if it's more than one device you get the gray bars with then it's the TV... try contacting the company that made the TV... or check online

could be a setting buried in the service menu
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