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Obama's foriegn policy
2009-07-01, 5:26 PM #41
Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
One of the foreign policy issues that concerns me that no one has mentioned is his comments regarding Honduras. Namely, that he supports Zelaya as the rightful leader of the country, and just like everyone else, is calling the ousting a "military coup". Now, I don't have the whole picture, but from what I understand, Zelaya was making a move for dictator-style power, and doing it without abiding by their constitution. He was attempting to use the military to go around the rule of law and do whatever he wanted, and it backfired on him. So, in accordance with their law, he was removed, and an interim president was chosen until the elections later this year.

I don't know how right all of this is, but to a conservative like me, it's very attractive for me to see this, IF this is what has occurred. Rule of Law trumping a power-grabbing leader? It's like a fantasy come true...if it IS true, that is. And that's why it bothers me that our administration immediately condemned it as a military coup, and still recognizes Zelaya as the president. Especially when they have been so quiet on other world events, including iran and NK (although as you guys have said, there's not much to say regarding NK, and I agree). Maybe they know something I don't know.


Zelaya was calling for a referendum to decide if the constitution should be rewritten. His critics claimed he was only doing it so he could get rid of the term limit.

I think
2009-07-01, 6:52 PM #42
Originally posted by mscbuck:
Term limits were merely an incentive for people to do their jobs. If they didn't, they couldn't remain in power because they'll be up for election soon.

That's the way it was in theory, at least

Which is why Congress badly needs term limits. Congress should never be a career. No one should be in the House for more than 10 years (5 terms), and no one should be in the senate for more than 18 (3 terms)
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2009-07-01, 7:48 PM #43
The trick is, how do you get congress to vote for something that will put everyone in congress out of a job?
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2009-07-01, 7:57 PM #44
Yeah. You have to get enormous support for it. Have to put them in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" If you oppose term limits, you're seen as someone who wants to keep the "old and complacent" politicians...and their own job. In addition to that, it most likely has to be a constitutional amendment. Not an easy feat to ratify.
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2009-07-02, 12:43 PM #45
Originally posted by Emon:
The trick is, how do you get congress to vote for something that will put everyone in congress out of a job?


you would really have to rally the people in a way that i have not seen in my lifetime. constituents would have to be calling their representatives constantly telling them they want this bill introduced and passed, or else the rep would face a recall. then when the congressmen or representatives did not vote for or even introduce said legislation the public would have to make good on the threat of recalls.

it would be VERY difficult. but i think it would be worth it.
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2009-07-02, 12:50 PM #46
but back to obamas foreign policy... what i have seen of it i have been less than impressed with. especially the apology tour he decided to go on, on our behalf. i am sorry, dont ****ing apologies to France for me. however i dont think i know enough to definitively say he has made bad foreign policy decisions thus far.
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2009-07-02, 3:21 PM #47
That apology tour made America look a hell of a lot better to me, as a Canadian.
2009-07-02, 4:24 PM #48
Now, this may strike you as offensive, but it is what it is. I and many like me don't give a flying **** how we look to Canadians.
Warhead[97]
2009-07-02, 4:31 PM #49
It's understandable, First things first I know. However we are your allies and friends.
2009-07-02, 4:31 PM #50
We should annex Canada
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2009-07-02, 4:41 PM #51
That would be awesome! Not annexing them, rather, assuming we went back to the way things I'd like them to be, all the Canadian provinces could JOIN the united states as states and be left relatively unchanged and independent. Plus it would be super awesome! (My dad was a canadian citizen up until about a year ago when he finally got around to officially becoming a US citizen.)
Warhead[97]
2009-07-02, 4:55 PM #52
I would do it, As long as we get to keep our government and parliementory system.
2009-07-02, 8:02 PM #53
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
I would do it, As long as we get to keep our government and parliementory system.


How is that annexation?


I'm satisfied with his foreign policy so far. I really liked the so-called "apology tour." He said a lot of things that badly needed to be said, and showed just how unlike certain previous administrations he would be in foreign policy. The Somali pirate incident was small fry, but he didn't screw anything up. I like how he didn't use the Iranian election as an excuse to plunge us into another war. Honduras is still an unfolding situation, and so far he seems to just be doing what everyone else is, but what they're doing seems reasonable.

Overall, he seems to want to be a part of the world, not fight against it just because it isn't America.
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2009-07-02, 8:21 PM #54
Well it wouldn't be, that's the point. More of a union.
2009-07-02, 10:35 PM #55
Tibby supports the Amero.:tinfoil:
Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse?
2009-07-03, 4:49 AM #56
[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_djgssszshgM/Sk1eP7Y-6TI/AAAAAAAAA-I/BnSWY08iVqM/s1600/unemployment%2Bgraph.bmp]

Lulz, I remember when that first came out
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2009-07-03, 10:16 AM #57
Is that accurate?
Warhead[97]
2009-07-03, 11:08 AM #58
Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
Is that accurate?


Yeah, that's from the Congressional Budget Office (which put most of hteir stuff in excel, so that's why the graph looks a bit amateurish)

And I remember when it was "SO IMPERATIVE" as Joe Biden said, to pass the recovery plan to get immediate relief!!
"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

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2009-07-03, 11:14 AM #59
Yeah. I mean, I knew basically that this was happening, but I had not seen it graphically depicted before.

Kind of goes to show just how under-informed they were when they had the idea, AND just how ineffective the idea was. Too bad it was such an expensive idea.
Warhead[97]
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