Certainly not what I had expected. The only character I really liked was Rorschach, and Dr. Manhattan kills him for not being a wuss . Pretty much everyone else was a complete arse, with Dr. Manhattan taking the lead.

It was pretty dark movie, even if it wouldn't have had superheroes in it. However, I have a question about the plot...

Why did Ozymandias have to mastermind all of it? Why couldn't he just leave Dr. Manhattan alone and let him take care of the nukes? Was it because he thought that there was a chance that Dr. Manhattan would've failed, and he didn't want to risk it? He got it rather arse-backwards, in my opinion.

omg no spoiler tags in mouseover you killed the story for me



I liked it .. but I never knew about Watchmen before the movie so any differences would not bother me.

I was disappointed. The best thing about it falls between two things... Dr Manhattan's legs.

Blue balls suck.

In the novel, it's either speculated or stated outright (can't remember which) that Dr. Manhattan wouldn't be able to stop all the missiles. Not sure whether this came up in the movies. And from a longer-term standpoint, Dr. Manhattan's existence hasn't done anything to bring about lasting peace, which is Veidt's ultimate goal.

Correct, only 60% they explicitly say

Not bothering with spoiler tags.

Dr Manhattan didn't kill Rorshache because he agreed with Ozymandias' plan; he killed him because after the plan killed millions of people, the only way for there to be a positive outcome was to take the blame, and that meant Rorshache et al keeping quiet.

The ending had nothing to do with Rorshache being the only one to not be a wuss. It was about Rorschache being unable to compromise his black/white view of the world in the name of the greater good. Whilst Ozymandias willingly chose the role of villain in order to save the world. It's not just a story about who's a good and a baddie, you're supposed to go away uncertain about everything.

I thought it was a pretty stupid story. Who would believe a crazed, masked convict about a rich playboy killing millions of people? Let him talk all he wants. It was a dumb story and an even dumber movie.

If I were you I would have waited until the director's cut comes out next week, it adds a significant amount of material from the graphic novel that wasn't in the movie.

*Swoons*

I can't wait. Does The Black Pearl come with it? Did I get my wish that they'd release a full featured film with TBP properly cut in?

I thought Watchmen was really odd. A couple of things annoyed me though. Felt like the death of Rorschach was completely pointless all things considered. And doesn't his journal end up in someone elses' hands anyway?

Thought I remembered that in the film they say that "even if he could stop 99%, that 1% would be catastrophic or something to that effect.

Odd but good otherwise.

In my opinion, the story/movie/book/whatever succeeds at making you question everything and not making everything black and white, and in that sense, it is a good story that I liked for trying something different.

Generally speaking, I was pissed that rorschack died and that the heroes went along with ozymendes's plan.

You have to wait until December for that release.

Also, the movie is way better.

Giant Explosion > Giant Psychic Space Squid.

Black Pearl lol

Oh, that was Jack Sparrow. Oops.

Did any of you whiners read the comic, or do you actually just not get the story that much? On second thought, the death of that character was meant for you people, specifically.

Rorschach really had to die, because it set up for the twist ending so well, the momment he is killed you're like omg i can't believe Dr Manhattan just killed him!!!! and then they throw in that guy finding his journel and it's like wow there's some god damn redemption right there , hell yea.

absolutely loved the movie.

Moore literally throws his entire plot away in the last panel of Watchmen. The entire plot, sacrifice, and redemption of man was lost to this single unforgiving panel. I find such poetic destruction very satisfying and self aware.

Awesome book. Awesome movie.

I agree with the comments of Detty and Kirby. They said what I would have said.

dicks.

that's all

millions of blue dicks.

**** that noise, give me a man in tights over millions of blue dicks any day.

The movie simply did not float my boat. The story was intriguing, the action though all too sparse for my taste was great, but overalll I've watched it once, found it mildly entertaining (though I enjoyed several of the characters), and will likely never watch it again. Knowing the big punch behind the story and with so little eye candy and action, there is really no rewatching value for myself.

You know it's really funny how many people hate watchmen because you see a cgi dick like 5 times. Get over it.

And as far as jep's comment goes... You watched a Zack Snyder movie and thought it didn't have enough eye candy? Wow. That's a first.

Don't get me wrong, there were some very neat scenes and great looking effects. Its just not something you get a kick out of seeing everytime. It is stuff you notice once and find great. Beyond that, its just uninteresting. I enjoy rewatching action movies because the action itself is a thrill. In a movie like this where pretty much the entire flick lives only for the story it is telling, well, once you know the story and its head-to-arse twist of a conclusion, well there's hardly anything to bring you back to the movie. Especially when the story itself isn't half as good or deep as some would chant. The mars-set scenes were monotomous and dull, the romance what mind-boggingly boring, and Dr. Manhattan was rather obnoxioux. I don't care about his pecker. It gets less than a minute of screen time in a 2.5h+ movie. My penis gets more screen time nightly.

The prison fight scene, the stylish characters, and a handful of one-liners is pretty all I personally remember fondly from this movie.

For me, too much of the movie involved characters standing there and talking, and I felt alot of these conversations brought little to the plot. Had it been a little more active (and I don't mean just add fight scenes), I'd probably be more interested in watching it again.

MILLIONS of blue dicks. Seriously how are you guys not getting this?

We aren't homophobes. Go watch Bruno.

I hope the blue dick apocalypse starts in your bedroom.

Fool.

nevermind

Have you read the book at all? Based on your description of a "psychic space" squid, I'm guessing no. If you did read the book, you'd realize the entire point of the squid and why it was a much better plan than the one laid out in the movie.

I saw the movie first, read the book just last week. I find both were extremely good, and I'm definitley not one of those people that will just go around parading "OMG THE BOOKS R BETTER DONT SEE MOVIE". I would highly encourage people to see the flick first then read it. The book is entirely more complete, satisfying, and striking in my opinion. Although I thought the Tales of the Black Freighter was pretty unnecessary, as it was basically an allegory for what I already understood in the first place, so I just found it a tad repetitious.

I hated Tales of the Black Freighter the first time I read the book, but when I reread it to prepare for Watchmen, I appreciated it on an Nth level, because it made the whole piece feel grounded and consistent. I liked how it was a story within the story of the people in NYC.

That's the thing I feel is disturbingly absent from the film. I really got into the news stand and it made the end of the book valid to me. In the film, I felt like everything was a big downer, and that the death of people in NYC was negligible and far less significant than it is in the Book. Almost as if we were supposed to identify with them.

It's entirely absurd. Trick the people of earth into believing some giant psychic space squid popped out of nowhere, and we have to unite against this new enemy? The movie makes Dr Manhattan's actions at the end so much more poignant. He's not just killing Rorsach so everyone will believe some giant space squid did it; He's killing Rorsach to take the blame HIMSELF.

Yes it is. Though, I must point out that a lot of extra stuff in the book is just the stuff used to explain the origins of the squid (The Black Freighter is part of that too; it's supposed to have been drawn by one of the guys working on the squid), that whole deal with the artists on the island and all that. That's replaced in the movie by scenes of Dr Manhattan working on some giant device (Which replaces him mixing chemicals in the books, and ties the whole thing together with the ending.)

This is also why the comic-in-a-comic is removed from the movie; because it had three purposes - commentary on the surrounding story, filler, and tying together the artist island, the missing-author newspaper stories, and the main storyline. Without the squid, the only thing it had to do was commentary and filler. The movie did not need filler. Except for these scenes, and the changes to the evil plan, the movie damn near used the comic as the script. (Also because it would be quite hard to do in the movie format.)

Want to discuss, in depth, why the book is called special because of it's cult status, but isn't actually all that great a piece of writing? And how the movie fixes almost everything wrong with it and does everything better?

JM enjoys millions of blue penises in his bedroom; his opinion is invalidated.

Blue dick apocalypse starts with him.

this guy knows what hes talking about

It's entirely perfect, more perfect than Dr. Manhattan destroying everything ever could be. It was created by the smartest people on Earth, and there is absolutely NO chance it could fail. It was 100% totally foolproof, unlike dealing with Manhattan. He got with the smartest people on Earth, created the monsters brain to make sure that people think it is a threat, and deployed it. Couldn't fail, at all.

Not to mention that the whole thing starts off in the book as the Comedian finding out about Ozymandias plan, hence why he is killed and setting everything in motion. If the Comedian didn't discover the secret island, then how did he find out? I think they mention maybe once in the movie and it is simply that "The Comedian found out". The comedian GOT the joke about the squid. Remember, the squid is the "greatest practical joke" ever played. That's why the Comedian is so shook up about it. That's why it was so brilliant to kill him. The Comedian's death in the movie just seems a lot less substantial because of no squid.

Also, just because of Dr. Manhattan's backstory, it would be foolish to think that framing him would bring the world to peace. It was established through the narrative that Dr. Manhattan really is not god-like. Even he can't stop everything. The only way that you could TRULY convince people to come together is something so foreign and evil. You needed something god-like, which the narrative and the movie established that Dr. Manhattan wasn't. Manhattan was basically a soldier for the US, and most likely all his destruction around the world in the name of the United States pre-attack would still harbor some grudges.

I just think they went the entirely wrong way with the ending. It didn't need to be a squid, but it had to be something totally terrifying and alien. Apart from the ending, I think the movie also is lack of any of Moore's statements on society (like Hollis Mason's death). I still like the movie, but like I said, the book is just more complete and says a lot more than the movie ever wished too. The way Snyder adapted the narrative, the ending "works" except for how easily the world unites against Manhattan, but I just think the book's narrative is much much better.

ALL HAIL THE SWINGING BLUE DICK!!!!

Uniting against Manhattan is far more plausible than me than the giant squid was in the book. If nothing else, the book's ending hinges on there being psychics in the world, which was NEVER MENTIONED UNTIL THE END. I distinctly remember reading it the first time and thinking "wtf did that come from?"

Most of the praise from my understanding came from "legitimizing" the comic book as a 'serious' medium with play on the medium's history, not necessarily that it's the best story out there.

My favorite part of both the book and movie is still when after Ozy reveals the plan, and Night Owl is all "you think you can get away with this?" and Ozy's response is "you think I'd do this if it had any chance of failure? It happened 28 minutes ago" or something to that effect.