I watched an MTV news break where Jay-Z was talking about his 'last video,' "99 Shots" in which he is shot and killed. Schway asks Z if he thought about, when making the video, what kids would think when they see him shot.

I was listening to a song today 'Jesus Walks' by Kanye West.


And one of my favorite rap songs is 'One Mic' by Nas. In which, he sings:


See, I'm not much for rap, but I really don't understand how MTV Can show Nelly taking of women's clothing, Justin Timberlake stroking the inside of a woman's thy, entire videos devoted to placing a woman's *** in a guys lap just to get him off, and yet they won't show the other version of Kanye West's video where it involves the KKK and the Cross burning during the day, Question Jay-Z's video '99 Shots' and bleep out entirelly importent portions of Nas' songs (Lines lacking entirelly of drug use, sexual references, or a single bleepable word), and won't show Incubus' political video where hitler has wings. (But then gets them pulled off) I simply don't understand how, if the sexual content on MTV and other music video networks isn't impressionable to young viewers, how the violence, religious, and other real world issues are questioned in other videos. I'm not saying that the violence in Jay-Z's video IS appropriet, but I do think that it's better than, or just as bad as any one of Nelly's videos.

Not to mention, there's a new brand of rap comming out that I'm trully enjoying. Talking about real-life issues, rather than sex and how much money they've got. I for one used to live in the ghetto, and I still go to a school where these things are a reality. I've even been involved with the drug and alcohol scene (Something I've gotten out of, and am entirelly NOT proud of). The things they're talking about have happened just a block away from my grade school. I remember being ushered inside of the building in HEAD START because gunshots were going about a block away. I remember, in 1st grade, sitting under the window of my best friend's house (Who lived not a block from the school) while police raided an illegal gun-joint directly across from his house, and the holdup that lasted 3 hours.

Discuss Violence/Religion in music in relation/Versus Sexual content, as well as Censorship in general. (Try to shy away from "Crap" comments, that was just a little topic humor to get you to click)

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

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They pull those kids of videos because someone might get offended by it and in this day in agae, we have to cater to the one person who's offended. MTV pulled Disturbed's "Prayer" video a few years back because of one complaint about an earthquake scene. 1 ****ing complaint and MTV caved on a video that was about getting through and triumphing over adversity. It's Bull ****

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This is what rap was originally meant to be about. Then it became "Hey look at me, I'm a pimp and I've got ho's and bling bling!"

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Yes, and that's why I really enjoy old school rap. I used to listen to it when I was young, with my uncle (Who was more like my older, cooler brother), and now we've both moved to heavy metal, because the rap scene has become so.. disgusting. It's funny that black rappers ***** about white rappers when originally, rap wasn't about white and black, it was about the slums of the city. White kids and black kids alike. There were more white rappers back then than eminem can shake a stick at, and more abusive mothers than eminem could ever hope to rhyme about.

JediKirby

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same question ive had. how can they show so much crap, and then actually have a problem putting up stuff that provokes you to *gasp* think. i think you should email mtv..not that it'd do anything but its worth the try?

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Oh, and this shouldn't go on the music discussion because this is supposed to be about the idolagy of rappers and the message they're sending to youths, etc. This isn't about who my favorite band is. Plus, I actually want posts to be made on this thread... that won't happen in the music forum.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

When it comes down to it, their target audience are people below the age of 16. Sex sells. Politics don't.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

And, that's ok. What isn't ok, is that politics can be considered questionable, when sex isn't.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

much music >>>>> MTV

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I thought sexual material out in the public usually receive questioning. Issues about decency and moral state of society and children.

But I guess society is becoming more and more sexually influenced. Movies, TV, school, etc.

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Um...jedikirby, what are you talking about? The Kayne, Incubus, and Jay-Z songs are played on MTV(the Jay-Z one is precluded by a little news thing). Hell, I watched the "Jesus Walks" video yesterday.

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Uhh.. isn't the name of the Jay-Z video 99 Problems?

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Personally, I can't fathom how anyone can tolerate watching MTV long enough to notice such things.

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First, I dont know where you get your lyrics but it is nigga not nigger. There is a difference, and I will not elaborate.

Second its 99 Problems, not 99 shots.

But agreed with everything said in this thread. Thats a first.

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[This message has been edited by Ubuu (edited August 26, 2004).]

This is why it amuses me when MTV tries to advertise itself as being all "rebellious" and totally not sell-out and everything.
They make it look like they're actually different from any other business or corporation, when that image is just so that they can make more money.


I enjoyed watching TV when I was in Europe. In Denmark and Holland especially, they showed some crazy stuff on daytime TV. No bleeping or anything.

You've never heard incredibly filthy hip hop until you've heard Atmosphere.

you mean 99 problems

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This kinda rap's been around for ages...If you like this kind of rap, THE BEST is Tupac Shakur, hands down. He rapped about practically nothing but these issues, and he was a damn good poet. I suggest the following songs, for lyrical importance, and for what you want:

Brenda's Got a Baby
The Good Die Young
Better Dayz
Changes
Until The End of Time


There are probably around 200 Tupac songs that are released, and I would say about 3/4 of them are about issues and hypocracies in today's society such as these songs point out.

And yes, I agree, today's rap is CRAP. Sure, artists today like Eminem and 50 Cent have amazing skills at rhyming and lyrics...But they've commercialized rap too much. They're literally everywhere, and all rap is about nowadays is to show how rich they are with their bling bling and how many slutty girls they can get. Oh, yeah, and about killing random things for fun. Rap does nothing but degrade women these days, and it's beginning to degrade the people behind the lyrics as well.


EDIT:

Not to mention that most of the "old skool" rappers would slap the hell outta Eminem both in reality, and with the mic.

EDIT #2:

Not true. If an influential artist were to speak out against politics of things, it would sell just as much as sex based lyrics. Proof? Tupac Shakur, yet again.

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Zion I, as I've been preaching for countless months, is my favorite rap band, to date.

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Tupac Shakur died a (relatively) long while ago. If you ask sixteen-year-olds now their favorite rap artist, they're going to tell you something along the lines of "Eminem." While I admit I enjoy his music, excepting songs like "White America," he doesn't really capitalize on any songs about political issues.

On the flip side, the rap industry nowadays is overflowing with the "*****es and hoes" mentality. However, I recall a theory of Scooter Ward's: music is simply a circular track. For now, a genre of music may focus on one thing. Eventually, people will tire of it and move onto the mood or ambient theme prior to that.

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

*Listens to some good Trip Hop

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Yeah, you stay here and take life seriously. I'll go and have some fun.

Wanna bet?

Tupac is just as big now, as he was back when he was "alive". If not, more so. His record sales actually went up out of the roof on his posthumerous albums. And several recent polls conducted on websites such as BET.com, Allhiphop.com, and other large hip hop sites have shown Tupac to be considered the most important, influential, and best rap artist, ever. And these votes consist of more than 7 or 8 thousand people....You mean to tell me that not even a half of them is 16 year olds?

I'll just direct you to these forums then...and ask the average age of the fans here

www.hitemup.com


Point being, even though Tupac may be dead, his music still holds tremendous influence. Especially over the younger nation..


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What I think is stupid is Justin Timberlake rubbing his crotch on some chick's *** while he whines away in his eunuch falsetto and surrounds himself with black people to give him "street cred". What's even worse is that when Justin Timberlake, a Southern white boy, violated a black woman on international television, tearing her shirt to reveal one of her breasts, she was the one that the American media condemned for indecency.

I have no words for this. I like rap, I like the idea of rap, I like what the creation of this new form of self-expression represented. Sadly, like a lot of art, it has been appropriated by white corporations as a tool of marketing and control. Fortunately though there are always some few people that are willing to express what they think and feel with honesty and simply for its own sake. Not for money, nor for power.

oh, oh, whats that one group. They have that one song out "what's your name? what's your number? I would like to get to know you. Just gimme a chance."

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Debating politics on the internet is about as useful and productive as shoving a broomstick up your *** .

Yes, you'll see the Jay-Z video, (99 probmlems, I'm corrected) but as you said, with that news brief about questioning the death scene.

Incubus' "Megalomaniac" and the remix version of Kanye West's "Jesus Walks" are only shown on early morning and night programming (6:00 tonight Eastern, to 6:00 tomorrow morning). At least, this is a certain truth for the incubus video, I'm pretty sure the remix is also on this ruling (With several other videos that we probably don't notice). Mostly because of the much more graphic images of the KKK and police brutality.

And I guess I didn't know that there was a difference between the terms ubuu, if I offended, I apoligize. When editing, it said ni**az, and I wasn't sure the word would get across, edited.

JediKirby

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Live on, Adam.

Yaa those damn racists.

You do now that Justin Timberlake didnt just get the idea to do that...It was planned and Janet Jackson was in on it. Considering what she did for publicity, she should be the one that gets condemned.



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"If there's one thing I've learned it's this - you just can't shake hands with a fist" - David Allen Coe

Cypress Hill.

Both were involved, but no one said anything about Justin Timberlake. They were equally responsible for their actions, so why was only one blamed?

Because it was her ***.



Agreed

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jEDIkIRBY - Putting the Romance back into Necromancer.
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Live on, Adam.

Because he's not the one who exposed himself for publicity.


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"If there's one thing I've learned it's this - you just can't shake hands with a fist" - David Allen Coe

That's right, he exposed her

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dialect we speak in is Hip Hop!" - King Solomon

*rollseyes* neither showed any actual breast. The VMAs had a red carpeter who had nothing but a pasty on, as well, another person tapped her boob.

JediKirby

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jEDIkIRBY - Putting the Romance back into Necromancer.
Proud Leader of the Minnessassian Council

Live on, Adam.

There was nipple in the Janet Jackson incident. That's what got everyone into a huff.

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