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Radeon HD 5870 released
2009-09-23, 12:06 PM #1
It appears that Moore's Law is still alive and well at AMD, since the new GPU line is close to twice as powerful as the 4800s which were released a year ago. However it looks like nVidia still has the upper hand in gaming performance, judging by the benchmarks that are coming out.

(image blatantly stolen from Tom's Hardware)
[http://kyle90.info/images/_internet/5870benchmark.png]

Is anyone planning on getting one of these? If I hadn't just bought a new video card, I'd probably be considering it. They seem to be the at the best price/performance point; the GTX295 is quite a bit more expensive for the slight increase in power.
Stuff
2009-09-23, 12:11 PM #2
That's odd... I just looked at another site earlier that used the same benchmark but showed the AMD/ATI card in front. *shrugs* I'm still happy with both of my 8800 and 9800 chips.
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2009-09-23, 12:19 PM #3
x1900xt and proud of it dood

(i also can't play pretty much any recent game except aion ;p)
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2009-09-23, 12:46 PM #4
I gonna skip this generation since i just did a build with a GTX 260 >_< and all I play is TF2
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2009-09-23, 1:41 PM #5
My 8800GT is crying.
2009-09-23, 1:50 PM #6
It's a little less Moore's law and a little more AMD catching up.
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2009-09-23, 3:47 PM #7
ATI has the fastest single-GPU solution at the moment - most benchmarks I've seen only have the 295 showing much of an improvement, which is dual GPU / moar $.

The 5870 is a little too pricey for me, but I'm considering either a 5850 or the ~$250 nVidia release this winter. I thought about just picking up a cheap 4870 (1Gb's going for about 110 at newegg, open box), but the 5850 is supposed to have 4890-ish speeds, less power draw and eyefinity support (I have 2 LCDs + TV).
woot!
2009-09-23, 3:52 PM #8
God I just wish a processor/mobo combo wasn't so expensive.
"No, I don't need crossfire goddamnit!"
2009-09-23, 4:05 PM #9
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
God I just wish a processor/mobo combo wasn't so expensive.
"No, I don't need crossfire goddamnit!"


Newegg has an i5/i7 mATX board for 100 bucks. i5 750's are 200. Alternatively, pick up an E5200 / motherboard combo for 100-ish and overclock the hell out of it. I think I'm going to hold on my rebuild and see how it handles games with a new GPU. I think I might be ok for a while yet.
woot!
2009-09-23, 4:06 PM #10
I'm not going down to the last gen, i5 all the way. thanks for the heads up.
2009-09-23, 7:18 PM #11
Y'know...as much as I'd love having a current-gen card...it's pretty tempting to save a LOT of money and pick up a 1Gb 4870 (~$120 open box at newegg) or a 4890 ($165 new at Newegg). I had a 512mb 4870 before and it ran everything I threw at it...
woot!
2009-09-23, 7:55 PM #12
Buying the latest generation is such a waste of money. They'll be cheap in a year anyway.

o.0
2009-09-23, 7:56 PM #13
I'll want to see Nvidia's response. Also boards with Lucid's Hydra chip should be available in the near future- http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3646. True hybrid SLI/XFIRE coming soon.
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2009-09-23, 8:12 PM #14
I might just order one of these. $160 at ewiz right now.

I hear the 5850 is supposed to be near 4890 speeds...so hell, might as well get a 4890 for $100 cheaper.

Quick, somebody talk me out of it before I buy tonight... :P
woot!
2009-09-23, 8:19 PM #15
Newegg has an openbox one for $147, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121308R

But since its only $13 more, I would probably take the new one.
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2009-09-23, 8:51 PM #16
Originally posted by EAH_TRISCUIT:
Newegg has an openbox one for $147, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121308R

But since its only $13 more, I would probably take the new one.


Yep - plus shipping from Newegg will narrow that margin considerably. The Vapor-X overclocks very well (to GTX 285 speeds) and is apparently much quieter than the reference ATI card.
woot!
2009-09-23, 9:31 PM #17
Originally posted by Greenboy:
Buying the latest generation is such a waste of money. They'll be cheap in a year anyway.

Except processors it seems, by the time their price goes down they're out of date by far.
2009-09-23, 9:42 PM #18
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
Except processors it seems, by the time their price goes down they're out of date by far.


I think I paid 60 or 80 bucks for my E5200 - with a decent overclock on it, I was running Crysis with a 4870. Games are typically GPU-limited vs CPU.
woot!
2009-09-23, 10:22 PM #19
Out of date, sure. But they work great for almost everyones uses.

..Especially since new PC games don't exist anymore.

o.0
2009-09-23, 10:24 PM #20
Originally posted by Greenboy:
Out of date, sure. But they work great for almost everyones uses.

..Especially since new PC games don't exist anymore.


.(

Ahwell - I still haven't finished Oblivion, NWN2, Fallout 3, Bioshock, The Witcher...etc. The list is long. The only game I have completed (in recent days) is Halo 3 and R6: Vegas2 on 360, and HL2 / Ep1 on PC. I can't even remember if I bought Ep2 or not! :o

Final price for a Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon HD 4890 1Gb PCIe is $151. I think I'm going to grab one. It'll run everything I need and it's a lot cheaper than the new cards.
woot!
2009-09-23, 10:24 PM #21
Red Faction Guerrilla is an excellent port, I would go so far to say it doesn't even feel ike a port.
2009-09-24, 12:14 AM #22
I ordered a 4890. $150.24 shipped after Bing cashback, coupon and rebate.
woot!
2009-09-24, 8:20 AM #23
The last time I even had a PC I had a GeForce 2 and a Radeon 9600
Think while it's still legal.
2009-09-24, 8:34 AM #24
I'm happy enough with my bargain bin 2400pro. :P
nope.
2009-09-24, 10:28 AM #25
My last 3 video card upgrades were pretty much unnecessary, and frankly caused a lot of headaches when running older titles. I think I'm getting off the upgrade treadmill. I might pick up a s775 quad or faster dual if they get really cheap, but I just don't have any speed complaints and the games I play are all at least a few years old if not older. Even my cheap e2160 @ 3ghz does everything I want it too. I've honestly been using the secondary x1800 card in PC more then my 4850 lately since it actually can play older games without HOM or broken dithering issues or black screens with nothing rendered.
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2009-09-24, 10:36 AM #26
**** it... *installs 9800Pro*.... now we're cooking!
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2009-09-24, 10:37 AM #27
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
**** it... *installs 9800Pro*.... now we're cooking!


Ahh those were great cards. I sold my old system to my cousin, years ago...and it's still cranking away.
woot!
2009-09-24, 12:35 PM #28
Man, I really need to upgrade my machine. I daresay formatting to remove years of accumulated crud would help performance somewhat, but frankly even Source games are chugging now.

I could certainly do wiht more RAM...

Still, in two weeks or so I can finally spend my birthday money.
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2009-09-24, 2:15 PM #29
Originally posted by JediKirby:
It's a little less Moore's law and a little more AMD catching up.


I can't follow you there on that one. AMD isn't catching up to anyone. Their single gpu 5870 is as fast, if not faster than the dual gpu gtx 295 while using 130 watts less on load. The 5870 is the fastest card right now with the best performance to watt ratio. To put into perspective... it only uses 5 more watts than the 4890 on load.

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2009-09-24, 2:25 PM #30
Originally posted by JLee:
I think I paid 60 or 80 bucks for my E5200 - with a decent overclock on it, I was running Crysis with a 4870. Games are typically GPU-limited vs CPU.


I agree, its not bad until its cache demanding.
\(='_'=)/
2009-09-24, 2:39 PM #31
Originally posted by silent_killa:
I can't follow you there on that one. AMD isn't catching up to anyone. Their single gpu 5870 is as fast, if not faster than the dual gpu gtx 295 while using 130 watts less on load. The 5870 is the fastest card right now with the best performance to watt ratio. To put into perspective... it only uses 5 more watts than the 4890 on load.

reference
reference


I agree. There's some discussion on Anandtech regarding nVidia's lack of comments on their new tech- some are speculating that nVidia may not have something that's going to beat the performance of the 5870 while being somewhat comparative cost-wise.
woot!
2009-09-24, 8:07 PM #32
Nvidia right now is all about giant powerhungry noisy plastic bricks that people buy for geek cred.
2009-09-24, 8:59 PM #33
Originally posted by Tiberium_Empire:
[Any graphics card company] [ever] is all about giant powerhungry noisy plastic bricks that people buy for geek cred.


:awesome:
Stuff
2009-09-24, 9:12 PM #34
Originally posted by kyle90:
:awesome:


Intel wants a word with you. :mad:

Okay to be fair, they wish they could compete in that market.
2009-09-24, 9:29 PM #35
Originally posted by JLee:
Y'know...as much as I'd love having a current-gen card...it's pretty tempting to save a LOT of money and pick up a 1Gb 4870 (~$120 open box at newegg) or a 4890 ($165 new at Newegg). I had a 512mb 4870 before and it ran everything I threw at it...


Except JK. :P
2009-09-24, 9:32 PM #36
...which may be fixed soon! :eng101:
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2009-09-24, 9:46 PM #37
Originally posted by kyle90:
:awesome:

ATi cards (For now anyway) are pretty small and efficient.
Also yes, get that opengl JK wrapper done.
2009-09-24, 9:58 PM #38
Originally posted by Xzero:
Except JK. :P


But I don't play JK! :eng101:


My 4890 is 'in warehouse'. They'd better ship it out soon or my impatience shall become aggravating!
woot!
2009-09-24, 10:32 PM #39
...You just ordered a 4890? That kinda sucks.
2009-09-24, 10:49 PM #40
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
...You just ordered a 4890? That kinda sucks.


Thats a little harsh, the 4890 is still a great GPU. I plan to get a few 48xx's to upgrade some budget systems with as prices drop.
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