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If Australia had the population of the US...
2004-08-29, 7:33 AM #1
We would have won 255 Gold, 240 Silver, and 240 Bronze medals at the Olympic games. Not bad, eh? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

It was Australia's best ever Olympics (even better than Sydney), and I've enjoyed cheering them on in every event I could physically watch.

Post your thoughts on the very soon to be over Olympics.

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2004-08-29, 7:37 AM #2
This was Finland's worst ever olympics. Two silver medals and that's it. Oh well, there's always Beijing...in four years, damn it! And the winter olympics, but those aren't as popular as the "real" (summer) olympics.

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2004-08-29, 7:39 AM #3
There's Beijing for me in 2 months.

However, I didn't pay attention to the olympics at all. The lack of Vangelis probably got me.

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2004-08-29, 7:40 AM #4
What if the Bahamas had the population of the US?

Britland had a pretty good haul, better than Sydney and much better than Atlanta.

I think if our population were scaled up, we'd have more than the US as well.

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2004-08-29, 7:43 AM #5
I just heard something on the radio about a guy dressed as a leprecon apparently ran out and pushed a runner over in the mens marathon... anyone see that happen?

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2004-08-29, 7:51 AM #6
The Bahamas would have won a neat 1000 Gold, 0 Silver, and 1000 Bronze medals. We came second to them in the population / medals count [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Britain would have won 45 Gold, 45 Silver, and 60 Bronze medals.

I thought it was a guy in a kilt who attacked the marathon runner.

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2004-08-29, 9:26 AM #7
Ahhhhhhhhh, Australia, home to British convicts since, erm I forgot. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]
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2004-08-29, 10:28 AM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by finity5:
I just heard something on the radio about a guy dressed as a leprecon apparently ran out and pushed a runner over in the mens marathon... anyone see that happen?

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My mum mentioned it, i wasn't there though. Apparently some guy came out of the crowd and pushed the guy in gold medal position over when there was only a few miles left or something. And then he ended up finishing in bronze medal position. Really annoying how selfish people are to **** up a race like that.

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2004-08-29, 11:22 AM #9
So what did they do? They can't exactly run the race again, but they can't just say "oh well, never mind" either...
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2004-08-29, 12:31 PM #10
The Brazilian runner who was shoved still managed to finish and get Bronze.

He also got some special commemorative/compensatory Olympic Spirit medal and a deafening applause at the medal ceremony.

According to the news, the activist who shoved De Lima, the Brazilian runner, is an Irish priest?

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2004-08-29, 1:04 PM #11
Aren't the top medal winning countries US, China, and then Russia?

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2004-08-29, 1:13 PM #12
Yes, they are refering to medal tally per capita. Australia finished 4th on the medal tally, but we have a population of only 20 million so when you look at medals per capita it jumps waaaay up.

Not that we can do much besides swim and cycle mind you.

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2004-08-29, 2:24 PM #13
Apparently the guy was the same one who jumped onto the track at last years Silverstone F1 if anyone remembers that.

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2004-08-29, 2:25 PM #14
I'm stoked Australia came fourth overall in the medal tally. For a country with only 20 million people, we can still mix it up with the bigger countries like the US and China.

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2004-08-29, 4:17 PM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jaiph:
Not that we can do much besides swim and cycle mind you.</font>


Hey! We got like... 1 gold medal in shooting [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-08-29, 4:20 PM #16
You'd also have a lot more fat people. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/mad.gif]


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2004-08-29, 4:31 PM #17
If Australia had the population of the US, people would be drowning.

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2004-08-29, 4:36 PM #18
wait how many gold did the us and china get?

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2004-08-29, 4:47 PM #19
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You have yo be out of your freaking MIND to do that. You'd become a grease spot VERY quickly. Why isn't he locked away somewhere?

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2004-08-29, 4:48 PM #20
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2004-08-29, 5:16 PM #21
China has a very good chance of knocking the US off top spot in Beijing. They sure have come a long way recently.

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2004-08-29, 6:11 PM #22
A very good chance? Oh please! They were 40 medals away from the US in these olympics, what makes you think there will be such a drastic change within 4 years?

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2004-08-29, 6:20 PM #23
Top spot is decided on gold medals, Raoul, and they were only 3 behind.

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2004-08-29, 6:40 PM #24
the sad part is that tourism was a disapointment to greece this olympics, they were expecting a huge tourism boom. During the events i saw that a lot of the bleachers were half-empty. The city built all those new stadiums and put billions of dollars into it, and now they're going to have to eat it.

Sure, they have brand-new arenas, but after the olympics, do they really need them?



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2004-08-29, 7:30 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
the sad part is that tourism was a disapointment to greece this olympics, they were expecting a huge tourism boom. During the events i saw that a lot of the bleachers were half-empty. The city built all those new stadiums and put billions of dollars into it, and now they're going to have to eat it.

Sure, they have brand-new arenas, but after the olympics, do they really need them?

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That's the price/gamble/risk you take when you host an event like that.

Somebody somewhere will come up with a brilliant use for them at some point. Of that I'm sure.

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2004-08-29, 9:28 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Delphian:
If Australia had the population of the US, people would be drowning.

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Actually, Australia is just slightly smaller than the contiguous 48 states. Most of it is just empty, flat space, though.

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2004-08-29, 10:00 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Top spot is decided on gold medals, Raoul, and they were only 3 behind.

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But China has 4-5x the population of the US, so we win [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-08-29, 10:13 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Top spot is decided on gold medals, Raoul, and they were only 3 behind.

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I see.



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2004-08-30, 3:09 AM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
But China has 4-5x the population of the US, so we win [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]</font>


Comparing Australia to the US and Britain is passable because we all have a similar standard of living, and all spend mega-bucks training our Olympic athletes. If population was the key to winning Olympic gold, China and India would win 35% of the gold medals on offer (or over 100). At these games China won 32 golds and India 0.

But yeah, by my comparison on this thread the US did beat China [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-08-30, 7:48 AM #30
Instead of Medals/Capita, it should be Medals/Competitor. Australia may only have 20 million people, but their Olympic delegation was like 450. Australia had one of the larger delegations, thus they had a better chance of winning more medals. (Russia or the US was probably the largest, I wasn't paying that close attention in the Opening Ceremonies.)
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2004-08-30, 9:18 AM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Home_Sliced:
Instead of Medals/Capita, it should be Medals/Competitor. Australia may only have 20 million people, but their Olympic delegation was like 450. Australia had one of the larger delegations, thus they had a better chance of winning more medals. (Russia or the US was probably the largest, I wasn't paying that close attention in the Opening Ceremonies.)</font>


Very true. While the top four gold winners were US/China/Russia/Australlia, coincidentially, they also sent some of the largest delegations. Here's a breakdown of the delegations of the top 11:
  • USA: 1,418. Golds: 35. Ratio: 0.024682
  • China: 744. Golds: 32. Ratio: 0.043010
  • Russia: 826. Golds: 27. Ratio: 0.032687
  • Australia: 711. Golds: 17. Ratio: 0.023909
  • Japan: 450. Golds: 16. Ratio: 0.035555
  • Germany: 706. Golds: 14. Ratio: 0.019830
  • Italy: 749. Golds: 10. Ratio: 0.013351
  • Korea: 320. Golds: 9. Ratio: 0.028125
  • Great Britian: 355. Golds: 9. Ratio: 0.025352
  • Cuba: 193. Golds: 9. Ratio: 0.046632
  • Ukraine: 343. Golds: 9. Ratio: 0.026239


By this list, the performance of each country would be like this:
  • 1. Cuba (Blast you, Fidel Castro!)
  • 2. China (And THEY get to host the next Games, for a home advantage!)
  • 3. Japan (Just how many olympians CAN they cram into such a small place?! It's got roughly 40% of the US's population, 48% of the US's medals!)
  • 4. Russia (They really soaked up Bronzes, so they'd be higher up if I counted ALL medals)
  • 5. South Korea (A lot of medals for a mere 320 athletes!)
  • 6. Ukraine (Western Europe has some catching up to do!)
  • 7. Great Britian (As I just said.)
  • 8. USA (That delegation was nearly double the second largest! That's crazy!)
  • 9. Australia (Athletes are a popular investement down there, eh?)
  • 10. Germany (Over 50 Olympians needed to get each gold!)
  • 11. Italy (Over 70 Olympians needed for each gold!)

Enough of that anyway... I'm tired.

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2004-08-30, 11:14 AM #32
I wasn't aware Britain invested a lot in sport. I was under the impression people were always whining about how little money there is for sport. A heck of a lot of swimming pools have been closing down in recent years because they can't afford to stay open.

The Cannock Hockey centre (one of the more important hockey places in the country) isn't far from where I live and there was no encouragement from my school for those who were good to head over there and tryout.

I've always been one of the top sprinters at all the schools i've attended, even without much actual practice, but I was never encouraged to improve.

I do know that there are certain businesses that intentionally offer flexible hours so that olympic athletes can fit their training around their working life easily, but that's about it.
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2004-08-30, 1:39 PM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Jaiph

Yes, they are refering to medal tally per capita. Australia finished 4th on the medal tally, but we have a population of only 20 million so when you look at medals per capita it jumps waaaay up.</font>


Australia is fourth on the table but when the count is done on a per capita method you are third. Hardly jumping way up! New Zealand jumps way up from 24 to 6th. And the winter olympics is much more spectacular than the dull old summer olympics.

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2004-08-30, 1:45 PM #34
I thought Canada and Australia did very well...

Although, those Canadian women look a lot like the Canadian men... o_0

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2004-08-30, 6:57 PM #35
It's like Bob said on the last night of NBC coverage...

This could be the last time we see a small city like Athens, Greece host the summer olympics - due to the next city always wanting to outdue the previous, and just the pure cost it requires to manage it.

True, the games went off without a hitch, but now Greece has to pay over $10 billion for the games. That's roughly ~$1000 per person.

This could be the last summer olympic's seen in a small city for a very long time - and quite possibly our lifetimes.
2004-08-30, 7:00 PM #36
Anyone else see the Australian dude get arrested for dropping his daks?

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2004-08-30, 7:47 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Home_Sliced:
Instead of Medals/Capita, it should be Medals/Competitor. Australia may only have 20 million people, but their Olympic delegation was like 450. Australia had one of the larger delegations, thus they had a better chance of winning more medals. (Russia or the US was probably the largest, I wasn't paying that close attention in the Opening Ceremonies.)</font>


The US had the largest team, followed by Australia in second. But that really doesnt mean anything. You have to qualify for the Olympics, whether it be winning a tournament in the team sports, or running (swimming, riding, rowing, whatever) a race in under a certain time. You dont just show up to the Olympics and compete, the cometition to just get there is very fierce. We had more chances of winning medals because they earned the right to be there.

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2004-08-31, 12:08 AM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by finity5:
I just heard something on the radio about a guy dressed as a leprecon apparently ran out and pushed a runner over in the mens marathon... anyone see that happen?

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Yeah and the poor sod came 3rd in the end. The unfairness.

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2004-08-31, 6:07 AM #39
A friend in the dorm room next to mine mentioned the lunatic right after he saw it. I didn't get the chance, though.

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2004-08-31, 8:03 AM #40
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
The US had the largest team, followed by Australia in second. But that really doesnt mean anything. You have to qualify for the Olympics, whether it be winning a tournament in the team sports, or running (swimming, riding, rowing, whatever) a race in under a certain time. You dont just show up to the Olympics and compete, the cometition to just get there is very fierce. We had more chances of winning medals because they earned the right to be there.

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I'm not trying to belittle any athlete's Olympic performance. I'm sure everyone who was at the Olympics deserved to be there.

My point is that to improve in a sport you need to train. To train you need facilities. To have facilities you need money. An African country with a GNP 1/1,000 the size of the US or Australia is not going to be able to support as many athletes. It's simple fact. Therefore, the performance of a country should be based on the performance of the athletes they can actually send, rather than the whole population. Why do you think the Kenyan's do so well in the marathon? No facilities required. You just find a large tract of land and start running. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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