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I REALLY need to upgrade my rig
2004-08-31, 9:42 AM #1
Ok, so i dont know much about technical stuff and im kinda needing to upgrade my rig, i have an athlon 1.33ghz processer, 256mb RAM and a geforce mx/mx400 (dont laugh).
I just want some advice on what to get, i don't really have a set budget, but nothing too expensive, im only make about £30 a week (i hate being under 16). Suggestions?

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2004-08-31, 9:43 AM #2
And for the idiots out there, im gonna upgrade it over a period of months i guess.

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2004-08-31, 9:47 AM #3
Get a delorean. A heroin powered one.

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2004-08-31, 9:51 AM #4
Good idea, can i fly at 50 lightyears persecond to reach super-earth?

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2004-08-31, 10:48 AM #5
Eh, **** it.

I was going to help.

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2004-08-31, 10:51 AM #6
more ram and a better video card would squeeze a little more out of your current machine but you should look into a new computer

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2004-08-31, 11:38 AM #7
Yes... well it all depends on what you use it for... I'm not sure if your motherboard supports it, but if it's a Socket A, you can upgrade to an Athlon XP. The lower versions are relatively cheap ($50-70 for the 1600-1900+'s, if you look hard enough (not sure what the exchange rate is)) Assuming all your looking for is a bit less lag on general Windows and Office, that should be all you need. Maybe a bump to 512 mb RAM would be good too.

If you're looking for gaming, then a new system would be the way to go. Typically, something like..
AthlonXP 2500+ ($80)
Asus A7N8X ($70) Deluxe Version ($90 much better sound)
512 MB DDR333 RAM ($60)
Radeon 9600SE ($80) Pro ($120) XT ($150) 9800 ($200) depending on how high you want to go.

For as little as $290, you've got yourself a VERY nice computer. If you want to splurge you can go for one of the lower Athlon64 chips (about $200)... be sure to get the 939-socket versions though!

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2004-08-31, 11:47 AM #8
Ok, did anyone else notice he said he made £30 a week?

But yes, something along the lines of what SD_RAKISHI said would be good.

I suggest looking at prices on the following sites:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk
http://www.ebuyer.com
http://www.dabs.com
http://www.scan.co.uk

When I built my computer, I ended up buying most of it from ebuyer but a few bits were a lot cheaper on overclockers (Although they have very limited selction compared to ebuyer).

I would not get a 9600SE though. You should get at least a 9600Pro or XT if you want to spend more. You might also want to get the 2800+ or 3000+ (Also, if you can afford it get the Barton rather than the thouroughbread).

That computer isn't very futureproof though. If you told us about what your budget is we could be more helpful [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-08-31, 11:55 AM #9
I just built pretty much that system for you on ebuyer:

AMD ATHLON XP2500+ 333MHZ FSB 512 L2 Cache Barton CPU - OEM £43.03

Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe SKTA NVNorce2ST ATX 8xAGP Giga LAN, SATA, Firewire, 6 channel Audio, USB2 Dual chan. DDR +WiFi slot (up to DDR400) £52.49

OCZ Premier 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CL 2.5-3-3-7 With Heatspreader (LIFETIME WARRANTY) (OCZ400512PH) £48.30

Sapphire Radeon 9600XT 256MB DDR DVI-I TV-Out Lite Retail Box £89.31

Shipping Band: £4.99
SubTotal: £238.12
VAT: £41.70
Total: £279.82

Note: that is an OEM processor without warranty. You'll also need a heatsink.

If we knew your approximate budget it would make it a lot easier :)

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2004-09-01, 5:34 AM #10
Well, i dont really have an approximate budget, as i aint gonna upgrade it all at once, but right now i dont have much, only about £80 (hardly anything i know), which is about $143.425 for you yanks out there, but ill get more money fast (i hope).

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2004-09-01, 6:44 AM #11
Get a cheap Nforce2 ultra based motherboard and a new stick of ddr 400. You other components can be transplanted to that and you'll have a good base for future upgrades.

After that I get a newer video card.
Then I'd upgrade the CPU/hsf.
Then I'd upgrade the HDD if it needs it.
Then some more ram.

If you want to spread it out, that would be the way to go I think. If you want to go A64, you're going to have to take a big $$ hit to get started...no way around it.
2004-09-01, 6:52 AM #12
If you get a new processor (reccomended eventually, as £30/week is decent enough), make sure the motherboard supports the chip. While all Athlons from the original K7 500Mhz all the way to the Athlon XP 3400+ use the same socket, the motherboards only support chips up to the day the were designed. While they're all backwards-compatable, they're not forwards compatable. Here's a breakdown of what socket fits what Proccesor:
  • Socket A (370): AMD Athlon XP 3400+ or earlier
  • Socket 939: AMD Athlon XP (Newer Models, up to at least 3800+)
  • Socket 478: Intel Pentium 4/Celeron (Older Models, up to 3.4 Ghz)
  • Socket 775: Intel Pentium 4 Prescott (Newer model, will be up to 4 Ghz by the end of the year)
  • Socket 754: AMD Athlon64 (Up to 3400+)
  • Socket 940 AMD Athlon64 FX (or AMD Opteron). Very expensive, but beats the S*** out of EVERYTHING else, P4, Athlon XP/64, Apple G5, you name it. Of course, few of us can afford the US$900 (£502) for a single 64 FX-53 chip.


If you don't feel up to the frustration of building a new computer, there are numerous companies that will assemble a machine with components you select, and prices for this service has made it almost as cheap as bulding your own.

For your video card, which generation of GeForce is it? If it's a GeForce 2, then yeah, I'd say replace it. However, if it's a GeForce 4 MX, then it's not the most pressing issue for upgrading.

If you are going to upgrade your card, You're going to have to think about how much of your money you want to dump into it. If you're going the Radeon way, I wouldn't go less than a 9200SE. They're rather cheap (<£30), and should be easily availible. IF you want more, go for the 9600 line; at the top, for a little more than £80, the 9600XT is a nice card (my brother's very pleased with his), and comes with Half-Life 2 to boot. (Given how well UT2k4 and Doom3 turned out, I have positive hopes for HL2).

NOTE: the ammount of memory on the card isn't terribly important. Givenm the standard texture compression ratio of 6:1, a 128MB card has plenty of memory for even Doom3. More important factors are the DX generation of the card (almost all cards availible retail are DX9, the latest), the number of texture pipelines (determines how many transparent textures the card can layer; most of the reasonable-priced cards have 4), and finally the speed of the GPU (generally, the more expensive the card, the more powerful the GPU)

Also, I would reccomend a memory upgrade. Given your processor, I judge that your 256MB is PC133 SDR memory. getting any DDR would obviously entail getting a whole new computer. Personally, I don't reccomend having less than 512MB, it is enough to run everything today (up to and including Doom3), and is a perfect ammount for something like UT2k4. If you're going to have the money for a whole new computer, 1GB would be even better, though not neccessary. As you stand though, 256MB is enough for a 1.33 Ghz machine.

This summer, I built myself a new computer, partially re-usuing old components. Here's what I got:
  • CPU: AMD Athlon64 2800+ (Runs at 1.8Ghz) ($190/£106)
  • Motherboard: Soyo CK8 Dragon Plus: NForce 3 Chipset, Integrated 100Mb ethernet, 5.1 Audio, 8x AGP, 6 PCI slots ($80/£45)
  • Memory: 512MB PC 3100 DDR 400Mhz memory ($75/£42)
  • Hark Disk Drive: Hitachi Deskstar 90GB ($60/£34) (Seagate/Western Digital drives are better deals for the 120GB-200GB range)
  • Generic Case, cooling fan, CD-RW ($70/£39)
  • Video Card: Radeon 7000 ganked from old 500Mhz computer (card to be replaced with newer card, possibly an X800 XT, later)
  • Floppy Disk Drive: permanently borrowed from an old machine (we have plenty of those lying arround at my home)
  • TOTAL: $475/£265
Not bad for an entire system, that does quite nicely: It can do UT2k4's ONS-Torlan at maximum settings, 640x480, and get well over 30fps. Once I upgrade the video, I'll be able to get 60fps at 1024x768 or higher, AND turn on anti-aliasing at x6, and x16 anisotropic filtering (currently, I'm using x4 Anisotropic Filtering, as the card can't do anything more, and the AA kills performance)

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2004-09-01, 7:27 AM #13
Oh, as for where to get things, try Froogle. Also, I've found that www.tigerdirect.com tends to be competitive enough, so I might reccomend using those two searches to grade the prices of other stores you find against.

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2004-09-01, 7:29 AM #14
Soccet 939 is very new. It will not use Athlon XP. Only the newest 939 generation of Athlon 64 CPUs. Athlon is converting to 939 right now, and all future modles will be in 939. (at least for awhile)
2004-09-01, 7:30 AM #15
www.idealcomputing.co.uk is quite good for prce i think, but i'll look at the sites ppl have mentioned

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2004-09-01, 8:52 AM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Boco:
www.idealcomputing.co.uk is quite good for prce i think, but i'll look at the sites ppl have mentioned</font>

I just checked that site. The prices are decent, but nothing spectacular. Froogle can be your new best friend, I think.

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2004-09-01, 8:58 AM #17
But i need to know exactly what im looking for in froogle

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2004-09-01, 9:14 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Boco:
But i need to know exactly what im looking for in froogle</font>

You don't need the exact product name, just what it is. Here's a list search terms that might help:

CPUS
  • AMD Athlon XP (Insert andything from 1500+ to 3400+ here)
  • AMD Athlon 64 (Insert anything from 2800+ to 3700+ here)
  • Intel Celeron (Insert clock speed, i.e. 2.6GHz)
  • Intel Pentium 4 (Insert clock speed, i.e. 2.6GHz)
Motherboards:
  • Socket A Motherboard (AMD Athlon XP)
  • Socket 754 Motherboard (AMD Athlon 64)
  • Socket 939 Motherboard (AMD Athlon 64)
  • Socket 940 Motherboard (AMD Athlon 64FX)
  • Socket 478 Motherboard (Intel Celeron/Pentium 4)
  • Socket 775 Motherboard (Intel Pentium 4 Prescott)
Graphic Cards
  • ATI Radeon 9200
  • ATI Radeon 9550
  • ATI Radeon 9600 (SE/Pro/XT)
  • ATI Radeon 9800 (Pro/XT)
  • ATI Radeon X800 (Pro/XT)
  • NVidia GeForce FX 5200
  • NVidia GeForce FX 5700
  • NVidia GeForce FX 5800
  • Nvidia GeForce FX 5900
  • Nivida GeForce FX 5950
  • NVidia GeForce 6800


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2004-09-01, 9:39 AM #19
Are you sure about some of that stuff nottheking? Socket A is 462 I think...370 being the old P3/celeron socket. I believe socket A runs the Athlon XPs (palimino, tbreds, thornton and barton cores), the new sephron which I know little about and *usually* any other socket A CPUs. (some modern boards I've worked with will not accept socket A chips with a speed less than 1ghz...simply due to multiplier availability I imagine)

I don't think Althon XPs are available on the new socket 939s.

AMD actually had a SLOT A before socket A for awhile, but if you have a 1.3 athlon its probably a thunderbird core which came out right before the pally XPs. The thunderbird core should work on all modern socket A motherboards.

If you want to move to Athlon 64 right now, which I feel there is little benefit of doing at this time...you're going to end up throwing out pretty much everything in your system just to get started. You said you wanted to upgrade slowly, so sticking with good old socket A is the way to go.

The most immediate performance gains for your system can probably be obtained by upgrading the video card...make sure you have the AGP port on your motherboard to support a newer card though. There have been some changes with newer 8x AGP cards.

Check your current PCs motherboard and RAM. Its probably an sdram setup which means you're going to have to get new ram if you get a new motherboard. If its DDR, you're in good shape and can use that for now.

If you're going Athlon XP/Socket A...you'll definately want to make your motherboard purchase something running on the nforce2 ultra chipset. Its the performance king for athlon and has a dual channel memory interface which offers a small performance increase when using matched ram modules.

I have a shuttle an35n-Ultra which is a budget nforce2 board with none of the frills. Asus and Abit are good choices if you can find some of their slimmed down boards...the full featured ones are pretty damn pricey. I paid 65$ for my shuttle, and its cheaper now. It has issues with low latency (CL2) ram modules though.

If you need new ram, do yourself a favor and invest a little more now to leave your upgrade path open in the future. Do not buy anything less than DDR400/PC3200 speed, preferably from a well known manufactorer. Slower ram, like DDR333/PC2700 or DDR266/2100 will work with your current chip...but if you upgrade to a beefier processor later on you'll have to buy new ram again. I do not forsee any chips becoming available for socket A that will use higher than a 400fsb...so DDR400 is the way to go.
2004-09-01, 10:37 AM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Ok, so i dont know much about technical stuff </font>


wha? i'm confused

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