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...Mr President, what do you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century...?
2004-08-31, 5:41 PM #1
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1525

And this is the guy we elected folks, and might elect again!

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2004-08-31, 6:11 PM #2
What? He answered the question, didn't he?

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2004-08-31, 6:24 PM #3
You don't define something by using the word in the definition. You could even hear people laughing at him.

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2004-08-31, 6:25 PM #4
he pretty much just told the guy that they are, in fact, soverign. didnt really answer anything.

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2004-08-31, 6:28 PM #5
I'd really like to see his whole answer before actually making a judgement

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2004-08-31, 6:30 PM #6
...you know I've seen a lot of Bush quotes that are a bit on the worrying side, but that is just flat out disturbing.

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2004-08-31, 6:38 PM #7
And, unlike the other video on that site, that obviously isn't edited cause he kept stumbling.

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2004-08-31, 6:39 PM #8
And how many of you know exactly what tribal soverignty is? Huh? Yeah, that's right.

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2004-08-31, 6:42 PM #9
Being the President of the United States, you should have a little more intelligence to be able to answer a political question than give a half *** response and get laughed at.

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2004-08-31, 6:47 PM #10
The clip didn't even show his entire answer.

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2004-08-31, 6:48 PM #11
I was under the impression that in the case of the U.S. it's referring to native americans and the level to which they may govern themselves. I may be mistaken, but if I was I'd prefer to concede that and look a bit uninformed than blindly try to charge forward anyway and look uniformed AND foolish.

Needless to say none of us work at a level of government where we'd need to know that much about it anyway, Bush on the otherhand should at least be aware of what it's refering to.

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2004-08-31, 6:56 PM #12
God bless Google: here's the full text from the question.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Q Good morning. My name is Mark Trahant. I'm the editorial page editor of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and a member of the Native American Journalist Association. (Applause.) Most school kids learn about the government in the context of city, county, state and federal. And, of course, tribal governments are not part of that at all. Mr. President, you've been a governor and a President, so you have a unique experience, looking at it from two directions. What do you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century, and how do we resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and the state governments?

THE PRESIDENT: Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities.

Now, the federal government has got a responsibility on matters like education and security to help, and health care. And it's a solemn duty. And from this perspective, we must continue to uphold that duty. I think that one of the most promising areas of all is to help with economic development. And that means helping people understand what it means to start a business. That's why the Small Business Administration has increased loans. It means, obviously, encouraging capital flows. But none of that will happen unless the education systems flourish and are strong, and that's why I told you we've spent $1.1 billion in the reconstruction of Native American schools. (Applause.) </font>


He seems to recover a bit after the clip (hard to tell without audio) but still doesn't seem to understand what the guy was asking and goes off on some tangent. Of course he's not the first or last politician to do that when they are stumped.

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2004-08-31, 7:12 PM #13
Thanks Jaiph [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-08-31, 7:40 PM #14
The worst part isn't his answer -- it's the fact that he lied. Grow a brain and do some research. They're nowhere near sovereign. Have you ever heard of a country taking 55% of a nation's revenue as overhead? Yeah, me neither, expect in the case of the "sovereign" Native American tribes. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

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2004-08-31, 7:58 PM #15
Uh . . . what are you talking about?

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2004-08-31, 9:16 PM #16
oh I get it he doesn't know what the word means haha.

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2004-08-31, 11:24 PM #17
Hm. Strangely enough:
1: I have a brain
2: They /are/ Sovereign Nations

Thus:
Bush did not lie. He does seem a bit confused or something about what precisely that all entails, but so is basically everyone else up to and including the BIA and so forth.

The fact that they are frequently not treated as Sovereign Nations, or that the majority of people don't even know that they are, or for that matter that they even exist, does not mean that they aren't classified as such.

Unless you want to try some No True Soevereign Nations argument.

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2004-09-01, 2:36 AM #18
Well, it's kind of a dumb question. I suppose some people could go on for 5 minuts and say even less than that, but realy it's not much of a good question. Bush is just saying that he will treat the tribe as a sovriegn entity, instaed of US properity. He's probably thinking "What the heck does *this* quesiton have to do with anything?"
It's generally not a good idea to judge some one's ability to lead off of a couple 10 second bloopers.
Besides, who is gonna expect to get asked a question like that in an interview. I garintee that any other person would have done the same.

[This message has been edited by Obi_Kwiet (edited September 01, 2004).]
2004-09-01, 3:03 PM #19
Okay, I'd like to say something right now, even though this thread managed to die a pretty quick death.

Bush didn't stumble because he's stupid. He stumbled because he's not slick. He was trying not to say something that the liberals could trap him with later, but he isn't a good enough BSer to come up with something on the spot. I think you can see him look at something offscreen for a moment, like he was hoping to see an answer there. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] But yeah, that wasn't an act of pure stupidity.

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2004-09-01, 4:19 PM #20
I would've had massively more amounts of respect to him if he had just said "I don't really know."

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2004-09-01, 5:03 PM #21
My mom goes "Shut up Jon, they obviously dubbed some of that" I go "WTF is wrong with you, thats real" my mom goes "Wow, what a dumbass"

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2004-09-01, 5:38 PM #22
Why would you ask a stupid question like that anyway? Who WOULD be prepared to give a response to a dumb question like that?
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2004-09-01, 5:43 PM #23
That is actually painful to watch.

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2004-09-01, 5:45 PM #24
It's not that stupid of a question, or that obscure of an issue, really. A quick google told me what it was, so it can't be that bad.

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2004-09-02, 4:32 AM #25
Humorous, yet it means absolutely nothing. Sadly, the issue is so far from the minds of most politicians, it would have suprised many of them. I must say, however, that there are a great many politicians who could have stated their case better, but that only shows their grasp of the English language...not necessarily their concern and/or understanding of the issue.

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2004-09-02, 4:42 AM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
It's not that stupid of a question, or that obscure of an issue, really. A quick google told me what it was, so it can't be that bad.

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2004-09-02, 7:52 AM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dj Yoshi:
It's not that stupid of a question, or that obscure of an issue, really. A quick google told me what it was, so it can't be that bad.

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It's hardly a pressing issue. States deal with Indian tribes more than the US Government.

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2004-09-02, 8:15 AM #28
How can this guy be the republicans' best candidate for leader? He's a pathetic leader. He can't even grasp the english language.
2004-09-02, 9:31 AM #29
I just can't watch it again - it's too painful.

YOUR PRESIDENT IS A MORON.

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2004-09-02, 11:04 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
It's hardly a pressing issue. States deal with Indian tribes more than the US Government.

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True, but even I, a boy of 16, still knew the basics of what tribal sovereignty must mean. Something to do with Indians and their tribes being independent. I mean come on, it's not that hard to work out. That was before the google, by the way.

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2004-09-02, 11:09 AM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gee_4ce:
I just can't watch it again - it's too painful.

YOUR PRESIDENT IS A MORON.</font>

Not all the time, but I'll admit that is painful to watch.



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2004-09-02, 12:08 PM #33
Thanks for contributing.

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2004-09-02, 2:59 PM #34
That was moderately humorous. I am on the same line with Dj Yoshi, although I was thinking of African tribes being independent.

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