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Nerdy things you didnt notice in RotK
2003-12-30, 1:59 AM #1
Ok you might have noticed some, but certainly not all [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

Full list here:

http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1072691717.html

Best bits below: [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

When Pippin is looking into the palantir, Sauron says the same thing to him as he did to Frodo at the Prancing Pony ... "I see you." and begins to chant the ringspell.

In the very first shot of the trailer, we see a vertical red flare going up into the sky. This is doubtless the signal from Barad-dûr that Minas Morgul responds to with a green flare, a signal that the assault on Minas Tirith is starting.

Wilhelm scream can be heard when Faramir's men are attacked during their retreat, when Legolas attacks the Southrons on the Oliphaunt, and when a Nazgûl snatches three defenders from the upper walls of Minas Tirith and drops them to the first tier.

While the hobbits are climbing up past Minas Morgul, Gollum urges them on, saying "Come, master, come to Sméagol!" -- the exact inverse of what Frodo said to Gollum at the Forbidden Pool

Gandalf gives the description to Pippin of the end being a continuing journey from a dream Frodo had at Tom Bombadil's house which he remembers as he approaches Valinor at the end of the Grey Havens chapter. "The grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country under a swift sunrise."

Legolas brings down the mûmakil with a 3-arrow shot! He learned after fighting the cave troll, and the Lothlórien bow is much more powerful.

In Shelob's lair, Frodo cries as he holds up the phial: "Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! (Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!)" exactly as in the book.

When Sam charges the three orcs in Cirith Ungol, he's holding Sting in his right hand and his blade from Strider in his left (not his trusty frying pan).

The ring was whispering "keep me" when Sam was trying to give it back to Frodo.

Sam's pans were hitched on his belt when he's in his orc armor.

Frodo's look, the angle, and the lighting as he claims the ring mirrors the scene with Isildur at the crack of doom from the first movie.

At the Black Gate, when the ring is destroyed, Pippin and Merry's usual roles are reversed. Merry exults in Frodo's apparent success, while it's Pippin (the wiser of the two for the first time) who realizes that it means Frodo is likely killed when Mt. Doom explodes.

The sword that's on the wall behind Frodo in the Bag End study looks like Glamdring or Pippin's blade he carries in Minas Tirith, which is mounted and crossed with an Orc sword. It looks like a breast of Mordor armour is above it.

After Frodo enters the ship and turns to his friends, his eyes lose their redness and his pale cheeks flush with the life he had at Bilbo's party. Our Frodo is back, without the shadows and pain.

There's a suggestion suggests some relationship between Frodo's choice and the fate of the ring. Notice that the Ring does not succumb to the fires until Frodo decides to live. In fact, there is a moment just as we see complete resignation in Frodo's eyes when the inscription on the ring shines forth as though in victory. As soon as Frodo grabs Sam's hand, the ring dissolves in the fire.

There is a brief shot of a corsair ship, with Peter Jackson swaggering around the deck in full pirate garb. He actually had a considerably longer appearance filmed, including a fight scene which ended with him being killed (either by Legolas or Aragorn; I've heard both and don't know which is correct.) That sequence didn't make it to the theatrical release, but we may see it in the EE.

The ending - ultimate geeky moment of them all: "Well I'm back." Exactly same last lines as in the book.

LOTR has its fake death scenes! (Fake Death Syndrome) Let's see if we can count 'em all!

THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING

all four hobbits killed in their beds by Nazgûl (for all of 10 seconds).
Frodo killed by cave troll.
the Nazgûl that jumped or burned at Weathertop/Amon Sul. A stretch perhaps for most except maybe the one that took it in the face.
the Balrog and Gandalf dying in Moria when they fall.
the Nazgûl drowning at Ford of Bruinen
Frodo "dies" by the river in Arwen's arms
Sam drowning

THE TWO TOWERS

Pippin killed by horse stomping on him.
Merry and Pippin killed and burned in the pile by the Rohirrim (not by the Uruks).
Aragorn killed by fall from cliff.

RETURN OF THE KING

Faramir killed by the orcs of Osgiliath.
Frodo killed by Shelob.
Gollum killed by falling off the cliff.
Aragorn has vision of Arwen dying.
Merry "killed" on the battlefield.
Éowyn "killed" on the battlefield (more definite in the book)
Frodo killed by falling off the precipice into the lava.

Of the main characters, it's only Legolas, Gimli, Galadriel & Elrond don't suffer from 'fake death syndrome.'

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2003-12-30, 3:44 AM #2
O_o... now I've got more stuff to look for.. I noticed the Inversed Master/Sméagol thing

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2003-12-30, 5:49 AM #3
Nerds..

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2003-12-30, 6:05 AM #4
These things either annoy me or I'm interested of them.

Now I'm pseudo-annoyed.

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2003-12-30, 7:33 AM #5
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">31. *NEW* In one particular shot of Gothmog, there is yellow pus leaking from his left eye (the lower down one); in all other shots his eye is "clean".</font>


Gothmog was in RotK ??? Where ?! *interrobang*

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2003-12-30, 9:20 AM #6
Please. Fake Deaths? Space Mutiny bests all three of the LotR movies. They kill a woman, and she's in the foreground of the immediate scene.

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2003-12-30, 9:29 AM #7
Gothmog... was at Angband. That would make him, like, millions of years old. Correct me if I'm wrong.
2003-12-30, 9:31 AM #8
Under the Two Towers fake deaths, the first two are the same. The riders that supposedly stomped on Pippin were the same ones that supposedly burned the bodies. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2003-12-30, 9:31 AM #9
I don't mind the way the movie changed the books. I just looked at it like a completely diffrent story.
2003-12-30, 1:04 PM #10
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
Please. Fake Deaths? Space Mutiny bests all three of the LotR movies. They kill a woman, and she's in the foreground of the immediate scene.

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It's true! Not even 20 seconds later, she's back! I mean, isn't that nice, they gave her a second chance!

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2003-12-30, 1:29 PM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jon`C:
Gothmog... was at Angband. That would make him, like, millions of years old. Correct me if I'm wrong.</font>

You're right and wrong. Gothmog the Balrog was at Angband. Gothmog the orc was the Witch King's lieutenant.

There was some other case where Tolkien had 2 different characters with the same name. Something about how he refused to correct spelling/continuity errors, and instead came up with logical explanations for them.

What's strange is, I never read the books.

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2003-12-30, 1:36 PM #12
Bah... I noticed a good deal of those. Prolly because ive seen in several times... but i got a lot of those the first time.


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2003-12-30, 3:00 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
Under the Two Towers fake deaths, the first two are the same. The riders that supposedly stomped on Pippin were the same ones that supposedly burned the bodies. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]</font>


And stomping on Pippen kills Merry how..? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2003-12-31, 6:52 AM #14
Ah, Gothmog the orc.. right. Meh, I was all excited that they'd somehow [for qod only knows what reason] included Gothmog in some top-sekrit extended edition or whatever.
*hugs his Gothmog balrog plushie and disappears again*

Is this Gothmog the kinda pinkish one that made me uncontrollably say: "Heeyy you guyysss..[/goonies]"

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2003-12-31, 7:38 AM #15
In the movie Gothmog was portrayed as a deformed orc. In the book it never says what he is.
And also Gimli's line "The very warmth of my blood is stolen away" or something like that, is said by Pippen in the RoTK book. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]
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2003-12-31, 7:41 AM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
And stomping on Pippen kills Merry how..? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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ummm... I ... don't... know? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif]

but that's beside the point. the point is that they're still the same instance, and shouldn't be listed twice.

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2003-12-31, 11:52 AM #17
The whole 'fake death' list confuses me... They were never supposed to die...
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2003-12-31, 11:02 PM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evil_Tofu:
And also Gimli's line "The very warmth of my blood is stolen away" or something like that, is said by Pippen in the RoTK book. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]</font>


There are a lot of instances where the film writers borrowed passages from the book spoken by one character and gave them to someone else. The first that comes to mind is Treebeard having some of Bombadil's in TTT. Another one I noticed was Wormtongue's 'Who knows what you have spoken to the darkness in the bitter watches of the night' speach to Eowyn was Gandalf's in the book, and from RotK. Oh and Theoden's 'Now for wrath, now for ruin, and a red nightfall!' war cry was originally Eomer's.

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2004-01-01, 1:25 AM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dormouse:
Is this Gothmog the kinda pinkish one that made me uncontrollably say: "Heeyy you guyysss..[/goonies]"

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You said that too?! My very first thought when I saw him was "Hey you guys!" I wanted to yell it out, but I didn't want to risk being killed by audience members.

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2004-01-01, 3:14 AM #20
Did anybody else notice George Lucas's input to the script?

Eowyn: I won't leave you here, I've got to save you!
Theoden: ... You already have ... Luke- I mean Eowyn!!

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