So, I know this was mentioned awhile back but today while browsing the movie trailer section of Zune on the 360 I saw the trailer. I'm going to watch the film but my initial impression is that they have screwed up yet again.

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its gonna be legit

I saw an episode of Diggnation where Alex & Kevin interviewed the director. They got me all hyped up about it & then I watched the trailer. I'm w/ Wookie06 on this one.

Yup looks stupid to me.

It astounds me how perfect the first two predators are. The original AvP comics and novelization of said comics was also great. Unfortunately the only elements from that storyline that made it to the first AvP film was the lead female gaining the creatures respect and that predators breed Aliens and seed worlds with them for the challenge. Now, keep in mind that I can watch and enjoy all of the Alien and Predator films for what each one is but certainly every AvP and post-Alien3 (more likely Aliens) have failed to maintain the high standards set by their preceding films. Sad, because there is such rich source material.

I didn't like Predator. Although that could be because I had just watched Aliens and expected more of the same.

I'd hardly say the second movie was 'perfect' though the first movie ain't exactly as good as the first two Alien movies either. While I remain skeptical, this new movie might actually bring something of worth to the series IMO too. We'll see.

*Also, Alien 3 was amazing considering what the director had to work with (though it's still pretty mweh), and Alien Resurrection turned out horrible considering what potential it had. The AvP movies are both just "OK" in my book, though I liked the couple nods they made to the Company.

The first Predator is excellent. The remainder are horrible.

This one looks ****ing badass. It also helps that there are actual talented people working on this one.

Hmm, set on an alien world.. but they don't have fancy pulse rifles?

I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation for that.

Or we can just make wild assumptions based on a 2 minute trailer.

Perfect may be too strong a word. You can criticize some of the stereotypical Arnold one liners and tough guy scenes in the first movie but the execution isn't particularly flawed. Effects hold up well 20 some odd years later. The second one was a fair bit more interesting but you could criticize the fact that the main protagonist is played by a raging communist however having Gary Busey in it kind of compensated.

One thing I always like about Predator 2 was in the very opening you really feel like you're going right back to the first one with the jungle landscape which then pans to a very steamy looking LA.

Another interesting thing (to me) is that the film is supposed to take place in 1997. Other films supposed to take place in 1997 include: Robocop, Escape From New York, and others that escape my memory right now. The vision of 1997 in film was a bleak one.

Oh, this reminds me, has anyone spent any significant time with the new AvP game? I have far too many unfinished games to pick this one up yet. Also, seems this new film is begging for a movie game. We'll see.

I could never manage to make it through Predator 2 whenever I've tried to watch it.

I just really don't like Danny Glover's character.

This one looks like it;s more a throw back to the original with the Predator(s) hunting the best they can find amongst the human population, and that isn't a bad thing.

Each Alien movie is a stellar example of the genre it represents. What most fail to realize is that each movie is a different genre.

The same is true of the predator series.

While the two universes may be one now, you can't forget that the reason for this is nothing more than Fox approving a stupid crossover game [which turned out to be awesome]. There are a lot of those. Remember Robocop vs Terminator? Did you know that Robocop and the Terminator exist in the same universe? You probably didn't.

Yay, Avenger actually seems to understand the first film unlike most people.

According to James Cameron and Paul Verhoeven? Because those are the only two people who matter in the worlds of Terminator and Robocop. If they have nothing to do with it, it doesn't even count.

Dark Horse makes it legit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoboCop_Versus_The_Terminator_%28comics%29

No, it doesn't.

It's the same reason that AvP is retarded. They just take two cool looking characters/alien races from similar genres and interject them without any kind of sound foundation.

AvP isn't nearly as ridiculous as Robocop vs Terminator. I mean, the very idea of them existing in a parallel timeline is insane. Robocop exists in a future that has been taken over by corporations. Terminator exists in a future that has been taken over by machines. One exists or the other. They do not belong in the same universe, and any attempt to shoehorn them together is just trying to pander to both fanbases in order to circulate your ****ty dark horse comic a bit more.

EDIT: And I don't give a rat's ass if it was written by Frank Miller or not. Frank Miller's involvement doesn't automatically make something great. See: The Spirit.

Yes, lets argue over what's true about our imaginary universes. [ It's also the Matrix universe. ]

Idiots who write crossover fiction are just that, idiots.

EDIT: And if you even think this is in the same ballpark as something like The Avengers or the Justice League, you're a total moron. I've got an idea for the next lame dark horse comic. Riddick is in the same universe as Timecop and Escape from New York. Go jack off to that, JM.

Yeah well Skynet was supposed to nuke us in '97 so there you go.

The last two would be interesting, but the first would be difficult since Riddick never goes anywhere near Earth. Even if they are the same universe, it wouldn't much matter.

You shouldn't forget that they, jokingly or not, planted that seed in Predator 2 with the Alien skull. And I certainly remember Robocop Vs Terminator and I still have the original comics. It is a viable crossover as the premise was that the merging of man and machine in Murphy sparked the sentience in Skynet. Of course Skynet felt the need to force the process when a human went back in time to destroy Robocop. The SNES game (never played Genesis version) did some justice to the comics but lost a lot as it was a relatively mediocre platformer with a cool mode 7 level at least. That reminds me of the mediocre AvP SNES game!

Another memorable crossover to me is Batman Vs. Predator. I think I have three iterations of that idea but the first one is really the best. It was essentially a story that to me felt like a combination of the 1989 Batman and Predator 2. You know, if I had more room and a less crazy household, I would love to catch up on my comic collecting and get alot of them out of the boxes. Oh well, someday.



I knew there was something Terminator but I couldn't recall the specific at the time.

If Wookie agrees with me, I must be wrong.

Proving you wrong is not agreement so you are safe.

So does that mean that Wookie agrees with you on everything?

Where's Steven when you need him?

I was wondering if you could expound upon that, please.

You know, for quite awhile it was discussed about how the studios raped Miller's version of the story, messed up the second film, destroyed the third. A comic version was released by Miller later that I guess was supposed to prove this and it was pretty widely panned. I like Miller but there is far too much hype surrounding him. An iteresting bit of trivia from my child hood is that my long time favorite comic book series was a Marvel Comics Limited Series, the four issue Wolverine that came out in the 80s was drawn by Miller. In the leaked workprint of Wolverine the scene at the end of the credits isn't some stupid plug for Deadpool, it drops Logan in Japan which Miller did way back then in that miniseries.

Terminator : Machines take over.
Matrix : Machines have taken over.

Yeah, except both series have clear and concise stories for how it happened and what happened, and they're completely different.

Okay, I got that, I was just wondering if you had some note of an actual crossover like what was done with Robocop vs. Terminator. Before any of the Matrix sequels were produced I had thought it would have been very easy to tie the two together.

Animatrix already broke that, they explained the entire backstory and Skynet was never involved.

... See if I troll Antony again. SEE IF I DO.

oh, you didn't mean... my bad

I think Free looks the part more in those pics, but I'm also heavily biased...

Lawrence Fishburne. Interesting.