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Lucky guy (slightly nsfw - cruiser camera)
2010-04-23, 2:55 PM #1
There's no such thing as a "routine" traffic stop..

http://www.ravallirepublic.com/html_5fee0ea8-4750-11df-9e30-001cc4c03286.html
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2010-04-23, 3:02 PM #2
That guy seemed awfully calm after getting shot at and unloading a clip at the guy.
2010-04-23, 3:03 PM #3
Wow, good shooting. God bless our peace officers and keep them safe.
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2010-04-23, 3:07 PM #4
Wow, is dieing worth not getting a dui?
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2010-04-23, 3:17 PM #5
wow that was intense.

Well done to the officer who remained calm and handled the situation perfectly, imo.
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2010-04-23, 3:24 PM #6
Originally posted by zanardi:
Wow, is dieing worth not getting a dui?


Just as appropriate to ask is not getting a DUI worth killing for?
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-04-23, 3:27 PM #7
Well yea, if you get away with it, of course it would be.
2010-04-23, 3:28 PM #8
Well he didn't kill anyone so..
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2010-04-23, 3:29 PM #9
Shooting at someone = intent to kill, imo..
2010-04-23, 3:37 PM #10
SK that reply wasn't at you.

but wait wookie what exactly are you saying?
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2010-04-23, 3:55 PM #11
Guys, all cops are *******s, didn't you know that? Obviously this cop probably provoked the gun shot, and should've calmly asked the driver to lower the gun and please refrain from firing anymore.
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2010-04-23, 4:16 PM #12
:huh:
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2010-04-23, 4:18 PM #13
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
wow that was intense.


Yeah, you're not kidding.

What I didn't understand is why the dude pointed the gun at the officer and then gave the officer time to not only get out of the way but pull his gun out as well. I'm not saying I wish the officer had been shot, but from the standpoint of the criminal (for lack of a better word) it seems rather silly to give the person you intend to kill ample time to react to your threat.
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2010-04-23, 4:57 PM #14
Is that standard police procedure, to empty the entire clip? Sort of a "shoot until you definitely definitely know you're out of danger" thing?
2010-04-23, 5:05 PM #15
Originally posted by Dark__Knight:
Yeah, you're not kidding.

What I didn't understand is why the dude pointed the gun at the officer and then gave the officer time to not only get out of the way but pull his gun out as well. I'm not saying I wish the officer had been shot, but from the standpoint of the criminal (for lack of a better word) it seems rather silly to give the person you intend to kill ample time to react to your threat.


I'm guessing that he may have missed the trigger or something...it looks to me like he tried to shoot and it didn't go off. I can't tell for sure, but that's my first guess.

Originally posted by LividDK:
Is that standard police procedure, to empty the entire clip? Sort of a "shoot until you definitely definitely know you're out of danger" thing?


Shoot until the threat is neutralized...doesn't matter if it takes one shot or seventeen.
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2010-04-23, 5:09 PM #16
All I know is, I could give a rats ass about 'procedure' if I was the officer that guy would have had my whole clip flying at him!
2010-04-23, 5:15 PM #17
Very good thing that guy was probably drunk and therefore had an impaired aim. That was some scary stuff.

When the officer starts firing the car hadn't even started moving yet, so there shouldn't be any question at all about the justification of the shooting.
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2010-04-23, 5:18 PM #18
Originally posted by Dark__Knight:
What I didn't understand is why the dude pointed the gun at the officer and then gave the officer time to not only get out of the way but pull his gun out as well.


Imbibing alcohol imposes a -2 penalty on your Dexterity score, which, over time, reduces your initiative bonus and ranged weapon attacks. Not to mention, he made a ranged weapon attack at point-blank range, which is a further -2 penalty on his attack.
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2010-04-23, 5:31 PM #19
GOOD JOB.
2010-04-23, 5:32 PM #20
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Just as appropriate to ask is not getting a DUI worth killing for?


In this case, hell yes. (Assuming you're asking weather this guy deserved to die.)
2010-04-23, 6:18 PM #21
I don't understand the confusion. Seems clearly worded enough to me. Is not getting a DUI worth killing for? I presume that's what the dude meant to do when he pulled the gun on the cop.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-04-23, 6:21 PM #22
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I don't understand the confusion.


The planets are in alignment. I agree with Wookie.

Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
In this case, hell yes. (Assuming you're asking weather this guy deserved to die.)


He wasn't - he was implying that it's rather ridiculous to attempt to kill someone (in this case, a police officer) in the hopes of getting out of a DUI.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2010-04-23, 6:47 PM #23
Originally posted by Dark__Knight:
What I didn't understand is why the dude pointed the gun at the officer and then gave the officer time to not only get out of the way but pull his gun out as well.


It appears the firearm misfired. He was probably using a Glock. :colbert:

In all reality, the drunk probably had the safety on, or didn't rack the slide to get a round in the chamber.
2010-04-23, 7:23 PM #24
I really don't see how there can be any discussion about the justification of the officer firing. That's pretty much of textbook example of when you SHOULD pull your gun and shoot at someone: when your life is obviously in danger.
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2010-04-23, 7:31 PM #25
Originally posted by mscbuck:
Guys, all cops are *******s, didn't you know that? Obviously this cop probably provoked the gun shot, and should've calmly asked the driver to lower the gun and please refrain from firing anymore.



:carl:

2010-04-23, 7:36 PM #26
Originally posted by BombayZeus:
:carl:


:carl:
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2010-04-23, 7:42 PM #27
Originally posted by Emon:
I really don't see how there can be any discussion about the justification of the officer firing. That's pretty much of textbook example of when you SHOULD pull your gun and shoot at someone: when your life is obviously in danger.


Well, considering the criminal was fleeing and the officer was no longer in imminent danger I'm surprised someone like you feels that way. Having said that, of course the shooting was justified but I figure if you pull on a cop you get what you get.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-04-23, 7:45 PM #28
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Well, considering the criminal was fleeing and the officer was no longer in imminent danger

How was he supposed to know that? How did he know the guy wasn't going to get out of his car and try to gun him down? Also, the car didn't start moving immediately, it wasn't until he took stance to fire did it move.

Originally posted by Wookie06:
I'm surprised someone like you feels that way.

If you bothered to read my posts any time we have these silly "cops suck" discussions you'd know I'm usually on their side. There are times when police overreact, even with the unknowns of being in the situation, but this is certainly not one of them.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2010-04-23, 7:48 PM #29
Yeah but left wingers like you tend to be squimish about shooting people which is why I said someone like you. I mean, if you support the cops then good, I'm glad you bust the mold.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-04-23, 7:55 PM #30
Damn good thing that jackass seemed to have his safety on.

To the cop: Good shootin' Tex.
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2010-04-23, 8:02 PM #31
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Yeah but left wingers like you

Yeah, labels are stupid
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2010-04-23, 10:15 PM #32
Originally posted by Steven:
It appears the firearm misfired. He was probably using a Glock. :colbert:

In all reality, the drunk probably had the safety on, or didn't rack the slide to get a round in the chamber.


Call me crazy but it looked like a revolver to me. When he pulled it out he probably didn't have a chambered bullet. In essence a freak happenstance of Russian roulette saved that officers life.
2010-04-24, 2:17 AM #33
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Yeah but left wingers like you tend to be squimish about shooting people


Ah, differences. It's what makes life so vibrant. :awesome:
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2010-04-24, 4:47 AM #34
Cool. I'm glad the officer didn't get hurt.

While he's speaking to the driver, they're saying something like this:

officer: how many you got?
suspect: twenty.
officer: twenty? how much?

I listened to it thrice, but still don't know what that means. My guess would be is that they're talking about traffic violation tickets, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
幻術
2010-04-24, 5:09 AM #35
I'm fairly certain the officer asks him how much he's had to drink that night and the guy says "plenty", and the response is "Plenty? How much?"

I'd also like to point out that I wasn't criticising the officer's decision to shoot at the guy, just the emptying of the clip made me wonder what the police are told in regards to the use of their gun.
2010-04-24, 5:36 AM #36
Originally posted by Koobie:
Cool. I'm glad the officer didn't get hurt.

While he's speaking to the driver, they're saying something like this:

officer: how many you got?
suspect: twenty.
officer: twenty? how much?

I listened to it thrice, but still don't know what that means. My guess would be is that they're talking about traffic violation tickets, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.


They were obviously dealing Yu-Gi-Oh cards, suspect was unhappy with a proposed trade and was (as we saw) beaten in the exchange of bullets that followed.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-04-24, 6:07 AM #37
Well I don't know the regs for police, but in a situation like that, where it would be difficult to determine if the threat was neutralized, it would seem logical to me to shoot until you knew for sure.

Also, it looks like possibly the guy stuck the gun out, and the officer pushed it to one side, took a step back, then ducked out of the way while the drunk re-aimed and fired. Maybe he didn't even try to shoot at first. Either way, the officer is justified using his weapon when the guy has opportunity, capability, and intent to cause deadly harm.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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2010-04-24, 6:14 AM #38
At the very least, I'd say that the cop was justified in the shooting under the pretext of, if someone's willing to fire a gun at a cop, you need to stop them ASAP before they do something equally dangerous (like drive down the road to the nearest gas station and take a few hostages).
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2010-04-24, 6:48 AM #39
Originally posted by Koobie:
Cool. I'm glad the officer didn't get hurt.

While he's speaking to the driver, they're saying something like this:

officer: how many you got?
suspect: twenty.
officer: twenty? how much?

I listened to it thrice, but still don't know what that means. My guess would be is that they're talking about traffic violation tickets, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.


It was something more like "how much have you had to drink tonight?" "plenty" etc. I'd have to watch it again to actually quote it accurately but it was clear to me the first time.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-04-24, 6:56 AM #40
Yes that is what he said.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
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