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2010 UK General Election
2010-05-06, 3:05 PM #41
Both Labour and Lib Dem support reforming our fundamentally broken electoral system, Conservatives want it to stay the same.

I'm also pro-immigration because I would want to be able to live and work in other countries should I decide to and therefore it would be hypocritical to oppose it. Not to mention that if someone can come into the country and steal my job, then I should probably try and be better at it.
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2010-05-06, 3:39 PM #42
My voter power is 0.009 according to that site. It is Harriet Harman's seat after all. I voted lib-dem in the end as it will at least add to the argument for electoral reform.
Originally posted by poley:
I was pretty sure who I was going to vote for in the last election, the problem is now that I'm registered in London, Lewisham for that matter, there are too many candiates and on a local level I don't think any of the big parties are what's best for the area...

I think Lewisham has a similar dynamic to my constituency (Camberwell and Peckham) in which case most of the independents are either creepy Christian party types, part of small splinter groups from left wing orgs or cynically after self-promotion. Anyway, if you've just started living here, welcome to south London!
2010-05-06, 3:49 PM #43
I'm hoping for a lib dem win in my constituency (Streatham), it has been looking very close, but at least the tories can't win this one.
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2010-05-06, 4:10 PM #44
These people complaining about being locked out of voting are silly, they were given 15 hours to do so.
nope.
2010-05-06, 4:42 PM #45
Originally posted by Baconfish:
UKIP are genererally regarded as thinly veiled racists. :P

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8666128.stm

Conservatives predicted to be ahead in Exit Polls. ****.


How does wanting to leave the European Union makes them racist?
2010-05-06, 5:22 PM #46
It's not the policies as such, it's more the majority of the official members. :P

That said theres no real reason to want to leave the EU. [Besides Xenopobia ofcourse! :D]
nope.
2010-05-06, 5:54 PM #47
There are also situations like the Greek debt crisis, where other European nations (and America, thanks to the IMF) have to bail out foreign nations that get too much in debt.

The purpose of Cameron cutting public services, if he does do that, is probably so Britain doesn't end up like Greece.
2010-05-06, 9:33 PM #48
For all those on the left side of The Pond, help us understand the British political parties

I'll help by explaining America's parties in my bitter, jaded viewpoint. All right, here it goes.

Republicans: Filled with a bunch of neo-conservatives that have abandoned all principles of fiscal responsibilites and making government more efficient/smaller and in its place left bible-thumpers, people who want to kick out the brown people, and Sarah Palin. Any given state can be in a financial shït-hole with mounds of problems but it is an absolute victory if we can make sure them gays cannot marry, bah gawd and bah Jesis. Yet people like these proclaim they are the party of Lincoln, Reagan, and admire the Founding Fathers who are all probably trying to commit undead suicide because of them. Oh. They like to start wars at a whim because they're bored or some shìt or have daddy issues. Seriously, go kill a deer or something. Leave the other nations alone, damnit!

Democrats: The solution to everything is throw money at it. Schools underperforming? Throw money at it! Health-care sucks? Throw money at it! When the money runs out, they simply turn to all of the businesses in the governing boundaries...until said businesses say "fück this place, costs too damn much" and leave city/county/state/nation/world/Local Group. Leaving said governing body with less tax revenue. The Democratic Party is filled with a bunch of well-renown politicians such as Barbara Streisand, Alec Baldwin, that dude from U2, Micheal Moore, and Marin County, California. Some of the Democrats actually demonstrate some sense of fiscal responsibility by Legalization and reducing the size of government by allow you to do whatever and whomever the fück you want in your own damn house so long as you don't hurt anyone. However, there are still a sizable chunk of those who are crackpots that think we are the single greatest fück-ups of the last 234 years and everything is Our Fault (TM). I get it, we screwed up on some things. We're sorry (some of us are). It's done. It's old hat. Move ON (dot org) all ready!

Libertarians: One of America's "Third Parties" who, like the Reform Party of the 90s, think...or thought that they are going to defeat one of the major parties. These guys are basically nigh close to anarchists but actually get some attention because they don't dress like hipsters/emo punks.

Green: You are a heathen and an atrocity if you use wood for a small fire, drive a car, or fart because you're polluting the air. Don't let women who follow this party fool you on looks. They don't believe in razors. Ew.

American Independent: Look up the John Birch Society. These guys are them no ifs and/or buts.

Whig: The only American 3rd Party that actually got somewhere in national elections. They don't exist anymore except for historical reenactments since they died away in 1856 and only existed to piss off Andrew Jackson.

And that's about all I know about the Third Parties. The rest are too obscure to even care about. So, does my explanation of our parties help you out, Brits?
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2010-05-06, 9:50 PM #49
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2010-05-07, 1:58 AM #50
The situation we now have is whats known as a "hung parliament". The idea is that to "win" a General Election you need 326 Seats in the Houses of Parliament.

The reason behind that is, that with 326 it doesnt matter in theory if the other main party doesnt like your policies, because you have more seats and can in theory put any "Act of Parliament" through the house of commons.

If you dont have that 326 magic number then thats where the fun begins. The UK Constitution states that Gordon Brown even though he was about 2 million votes behind the Conservatives can choose to stay in power and attempt to either run a Minority Government or form a Coalition Government with one or more parties (As happens alot in Europe).

If he cant do that (or resigns) then the Queen can allow David Cameron to attempt to create a Government of his own. He can also then attempt to form a Coalition Government in much the same way.

The last time this kind of thing happened was 1974 and it required another General Election 8 months later.
2010-05-07, 4:27 AM #51
Stewart and Colbert already filled all us Americans in thanks.
2010-05-07, 5:46 AM #52
Urgh. So are we thinking another election in December or a timewarp back to the 80s?
nope.
2010-05-07, 8:32 AM #53
My guess is that we'll go with a coalition of sorts between the Conservatives and the Lib Dems for a couple of years until the country is in a (hopefully) better financial state and then another electron will be called.

As one of my friends on facebook put it, "Tory-Lib Dem coalition on the cards, Tories want to remove inefficiencies from public sector, Lib Dems like science generally and can nag them to be socially responsible ...."

For me that's not such a bad thing, in general I liked some of the policies that both of the Conservaties and the Lib Dems put forward, I also disagreed with some of them too but they were mostly the policies that they both disagreed on.
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2010-05-07, 10:53 AM #54
Fellow Brits, please explain if this coalition government would even matter. From my perspective, and my jaded view of politics, it seems like all these meetings would end up with is "we promise to MAYBE address this, and maybe address this, and promise to LOOK INTO" and nothing will ever get done anyway? Or is that too jaded?
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2010-05-07, 11:00 AM #55
The trouble is that the coalition talks are hideously political and full of deal making that we'll never see.

The Tories and Lib Dems have very different policy ideas that dont mix well Compared with Labour and Lib Dem.

In 1974 the Tories tried the same thing and it didnt work...
2010-05-07, 11:32 AM #56
The problem with the Libs doing backroom dealings with the Tories is that if they agree to a deal that doesn't involve them getting a referendum on electoral reform they're probably going to lose any new support that they've scraped together lately.
nope.
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