It gave me a PERSECUTION COMPLEX..just ask joncy!!

Uh, you do kind of throw a fit any time a police discussion comes up.

**** the JLee!










Oh wait-

I understand how it can be misinterpreted, hence the wall-o-text accompanying it to help further explain. You said it was an otherwise useful post, yet you picked only three words from it and made a generalization about me and making a generalization. I will try to better clarify it next time but at least now my point is clear.

Not to start another debate, but I don't recall JLee ever getting upset with me? I'm sure he probably has, but as far as I can see, he's never posted it. So I don't know where you're getting that from.

Generalizations get thrown around and it pisses me off. I wouldn't say I "throw a fit", though.

Shouldn't you be getting more angry at the people that give people like you a bad reputation?

Well when they start posting here, you just let me know and I will.

Whaa whaa, cry more. Generalizations always get thrown around. Every group has generalizations/stereotypes, and everyone hates them. Not everyone cries about them.

"Throw a fit" might be a poor choice of words. A better choice would be "get butthurt."

"Uh, you do kind of get all butthurt any time a police discussion comes up."

I guess I should just sit idly by and go "hah yep, we suck, deal with it" rather than trying to explain things from my perspective.

Or just don't say anything. Responding to every little bit of negativity is a good way to have an aneurysm and look like a prick in the process.

It was a rhetorical question.

I can understand you getting pissed off at people throwing around generalizations about police, since you're grouped in that category. I apologize if it offends you, and as I stated before it's nothing even against police or yourself on a personal level (when I post things like before). I don't mean to generalize "All Cops" into how I feel, and as I said I know there are excellent police officers out there like yourself. It's just unfortunate that there are a ton of bad grapes to ruin what you have.

When you don't agree with certain laws, you have tension with those that enforce them. Not many people hold politicians in the highest regard, many disagree with what they do or think. Left wingers versus Right wingers, democrats and republicans, wherever you're from and whatever your background. It's something as simple as a political belief, and it can make people actually dislike or even hate one another. Hell, we ****ing start wars over them. That is also part of the tension between me and the police. I don't have the same morals as the law states I must have, and thus I choose to live by my own. Unfortunately this is a conflict of interest with the law, and is something that can cause problems. Even when simply debating.

For examples sake, I smoke marijuana. Regardless of your own personal feelings towards it, you must enforce the law that states smoking it is illegal. I am against this, and thus, it causes tension between us.

It's the same as when I go around the streets of Toronto, and get pulled over by a police officer, and he is a total douche bag to me. Then, the next time I see another police officer, the same treatment is given. And again, and again, and again. It's difficult to perceive people that you both have had bad experience with many times over, and have a conflict in beliefs/morals/etc, differently than what you've learned by your experiences.

cops hate you because you constantly have a dazed look and reek of illegal drugs.

And he's ugly too. Don't forget ugly.

Not as ugly as you at least

But Jonc, how can I reek of illegal drugs when I don't?

marijuana smells god awful. everybody can tell when you smoke it.

I'm glad you think you're everybody. You obviously have no experience smoking Marijuana or being around people for any length of time that do smoke it. And if you do, it certainly isn't much.

There are literally TONS of ways to get completely rid of the smell 100%. To list one of the top ones, I smoke from a bong. Bongs tend to not linger with the smell that much. Especially if you blow it out a window. Not to mention the cologne I wear, the showers I take, and the newly washed clothing for outer wear that I have which differs from the clothes I wear in my apartment which are placed in a completely different and blocked off room, all combine to eliminate the smell. Trust me, you can get rid of it.

Joints however are a completely different thing. They smell a lot, and they linger and stick to clothing.

Of course Marijuana is going to smell WHILE you're smoking it.

Do you have any other brilliant theories Mr Hawking?

Aren't you allowed to carry by law a few grams of marijuana in canada

Nope. You can't carry anything unless you have a legitimate medical card. A lot of people here for some reason seem to think that if the cops catch you they will just let you off, but it's not true. Possession is 100% illegal here. But there is a major push to decriminalize it. A couple of years ago the Liberal government tried to push a bill to decriminalize its use but the American government threatened all kinds of repercussions and the bill was prevented from being put into motion due to that pressure.

Even if you have a medical card the cops will harass you. My friend has one and I've been with him while they ask for his card and ask him if he enjoys being a no good stoner. Even though the guy runs his own business and makes more money than 4 or 5 cops salaries combined. He is also now suing the Toronto Police department for defamation of character among other allegations. Apparently he actually has a great case and luckily can afford a high class lawyer. He just recently won $15,000 in a suit against Jack Asstors.

I'd just like to say that if you have no idea what I'm talking about, don't reply. What I was referring to is called 'carving', which means turning side to side (like you see snowboarders do) down a hill, which slows you down enough to be able to take a hill fairly safely. And I was on one road, weaving in and out of both lanes because it was completely empty and using two lanes to carve is a hell of a lot safer than using one. More space = better carving.

For the record, I just want to say I agree with Temperamental, and everyone should really stop leaping on him with claws bared. You guys claim that he's generalizing a lot, but so are you. You read that he smokes marijuana and you instantly assumed he's some dumbass hippie who is constantly stoned and flashing peace signs.

Actually, from experience, most pot smokers I know who claim they don't smell or have managed to get "rid of the smell 100%" still smell. Any non pot smoker will still smell it on them. If you smoke outdoors, no I agree you wont smell afterwards. But by smoking indoors, that smell fills the room no matter how you smoke it and you, along with everyone in it, WILL smell it.

Note: Of course if you take showers, change, etc. your wont smell it. But chances are you're not gonna go for a shower and a change of clothes everytime you walk around. Nor do you plan your pot smoking around that. So the evening when you're hanging out with your friends, have your little puff, and then walk around, you will be reeking it.

Gotta love pothead denial. Its the best there is.

No, the best is teenage kids that smoke cigarettes. Smoke in the bathroom, drown themselves in axe and think the teacher can't tell.

I would always laugh when I would walk into the restroom at my high school and see some kid standing on the toilet, smoking and blowing the smoke into the vent fan.

Yeah, definately. Its a lot of trouble to suck on a deathstick.

Its all pretty pathetic, haha.

And on the other hand, gotta love how irritatingly sanctimonious non-potsmokers are. It's the best there is.

Wait how did this turn into pot debate?

I'm not sure

Oh, I do think I'm superior for not smoking crap

It's not a debate, it's smart people poking fun at dumb people.

You're dense. It's not that fact one smokes, it's the fact that one think the smell is not noticeable that makes one dumb.

So I clearly don't know everyone's personal history on this board, but I feel that I have more experience with cops assuming you're doing something wrong when you aren't than MOST other people.

After doing parkour for almost 5 years, I've interacted with a whole lot of law enforcement officers at a lot of different levels (from janitors to campus safety to rent-a-cops to real police to the FBI once (whoops)). Of all those times, I could probably count on a single hand that had maybe 3 fingers the number of times we actually were doing something wrong/somewhere we shouldn't have been (and those were all in the early "dumb" days).

I've dealt with more "angry cops" than you could even possibly imagine. I've been kicked out of pretty much any public area you can imagine, from public playgrounds to public parks to Central Park in NYC.

The key here is not to realize that, just like teachers or cab drivers or flight attendents, cops are people too. I've had AMAZING teachers, and I've had absolutely miserable teachers. But I don't let either experience bias my view of each individual.

Everytime a cop shows up, either in 3 cars speeding up to us with the lights and sirens blasting and surrounding us (true story) or strolling up on foot, treat them like people who are just doing their jobs. If they want to be dicks, then they're going to be dicks. But most of them are just trying to kill the hours until they can punch out, go home and be with their wives and children. If you're polite, if you walk up to them and meet them halfway, greet them with sirs and m'ams... most times things will be fine.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you go into a situation with a LEO with a negative bias towards cops, it's going to turn out ****ty. If you recognize that you are doing something outside the norm (in Zell's case, that would be walking on the sidewalk. Carving in the street at midnight IS out of the norm), and you can tell it's outside the norm by looking around and seeing if everybody else either A) is or B) is not doing it, then you have to recognize that you might pop up as a person of interest on a cop's radar. If they decide to engage you, be super nice and polite. It will probably work out - and then maybe you'll have changed their perception of the activity you were doing and next time they won't stop someone for carving or jumping on a bench.

It's true, happydud can get out of any situation. He has superjew charisma.

What name did I call you? I referred to "whiny BS" but I didn't call you any names. You don't want to look at it from the perspective of the officer that probably made a judgment call that a guy skating in all black in the middle of the night was a reason to intervene. At worst, when he decided to let you go he was a little rude but it could be that he wanted you off the street for your own safety or the neighborhood or both. And the only sarcasm was that you could do like so many others and just say the cops were hassling you due to race. If you wanted this put into perspective with other police activity, you should have given that in your opening post and given that you weren't even charged with anything is the instance it does seem like whining. Sorry if it comes across as an attack. Now that you've vented a bit more I think I understand where you frustration is coming from and THAT is something I can identify with.

I smoke cigars. I take showers and wash my clothes and I am a heavy consumer of Old Spice[sup]tm[/sup]-brand personal hygiene products. I still smell like tobacco. I know I smell like tobacco even though my brain has filtered out the smell.

I know a guy who only ever uses a vaporizer and only ever does pot outside. He still stinks, and he doesn't believe anybody when they tell him.

Long story short, tobacco users are more self aware than pot users.

Yeah. My wife hates when I smoke cigars. I only smoke outside, and I wear a specific sweater when I do. Doesn't matter.

Cigars smell better than cigarettes and weed, though.

Clearly the solution is a SCUBA-like apparatus that seals against the mouth and face to prevent any crud from touching your body or clothes.

Or just make brownies.

Making the butter for edibles leaves your kitchen smelling like a damn canna-forest for hours though

Some weed smells better than cologne but it's an acquired smell like some would say beer is an acquired taste.

Of course it's going to smell the room. I'm talking about detecting the smell afterwards. If someone has smoked out of a bong, and they did it outdoors (which I do, on my balcony) and even indoors is fine...And subsequently take a shower, change clothing which is in an isolated room, and then go outside you will have an extremely difficult time detecting the smell.

Brownies are indeed :awesome:. I prefer them to smoking, but they're hard to come by. Also I happen to kind of like the smell of weed, now. It's something that grows on you, just like the taste of beer. I used to despise beer, now I love it.

I've certainly had several negative experiences w/ the police as a youth. I've been detained, harassed & even arrested for something that didn't occur. The same goes for every single person that I've ever spoken w/ on the subject (that's a lot of people). I also read about cases of police brutality & watch a ton of video footage involving the police as a sort of hobby (especially those cases that involve their abuse of wiretapping laws). I'm very much interested in this subject & I can guarantee you that my opinion is in no way based entirely upon a few negative experiences that I've had. I personally think that those of you that don't see anything wrong w/ the way the citizens of this country are treated by law enforcement are almost as bad as they are.

I read JLee's posts & he's a nice enough guy on this forum. However, I think it's very likely that once he pins on that badge & straps on that gun that he becomes an *******. He may think that he isn't but I'm not buying it. I personally avoid saying a lot of things that I say on other forums because of his presence here. It doesn't matter if he's kind to his family/friends & if he gives to charity. What matters is how he treats the citizens of this country that he's supposed to be protecting & serving & whether or not he'll stand up to his comrades when they do something wrong. I hope that I'm wrong about him & but from my experience (including everything that I've read & watched) I think the odds are against it.