Oh right. I'll shoot you with this .22, you won't get hurt that much.

Depends on where you shoot. (aim for the genitals)

but first hit it with your hammer

The hammer is my p<genki>s.

Is that really censored? Penis

Nope.

Only problem is that going the speed limit here means you're driving significantly slower than just about everybody else on the road. 10-15 over is the norm on the highways (and most other large surface roads). Also, attempting to "purposely cut off or trap people" is a pretty dick move.

It's also dangerous.

I'm glad I don't live where you live then. That's major stupidity on a large scale.

I'm not so sure. Faster isn't always more dangerous and speed limits are often arbitrary. It's an issue if people are not familiar and do not keep up, though.

Exactly. The only place it's a problem is on I-4 and that's only because people drive like complete morons as soon as they get on I-4 for some reason. I'm glad you don't live here too, you would just be one more person that gets in the way so that everybody else has to figure out how to get around you without being run over in the process.

I would postulate that if the population as a whole is ignoring speed laws that's a pretty bad sign.




At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, you make a lot of huge erroneous assumptions.

I fail to see how adhering to the speed limit could be considered screwing w/ people. I do often ride next to people when I'm passing them. If I fail to pass them that's because they've changed speeds & I'm happy to get back over when they've decided to speed up or slow down enough for me to do so w/o turning off cruise control. If I'm in your way, you're the one that's breaking the law & are probably the one being the dick (I wouldn't be in your way if you were going the speed limit).


I don't break the law just because everyone else does just like I wouldn't jump off a bridge if everyone else did. If you think that the speed limit is incorrect then maybe you should contact a city official. I'm not the problem here. I never said that I wasn't a dick but I find it fascinating how you ignore the fact that they're being dicks in the first place by illegally & unsafely attempting to pass me in a slower lane.

I don't know about what state you're in, but going with the flow of traffic is generally recommended. Going significantly slower than everyone else, regardless of speed limit, can be dangerous.

A bad sign of what? Like I said, speed limits are arbitrary. If people drive faster than the speed limit but still drive safely, what's the problem? I don't see where "over speed limit = UNSAFE" comes from, because it's just not true. The problem comes when people get impatient and do stupid things, regardless of how fast they're going.

I think that driving over the speed limit is unsafe when those that are doing it are doing so w/ the assumption that everyone is driving that way also. If they recognize the fact that someone like me that's going 20mph less than them (the speed limit) may pull out in front of them at any moment to pass someone that's going under the speed limit & their awareness level is on par to deal w/ this then they're probably safe. However, in practice, I find that this isn't the case for most people. I see accidents & near accidents quite often that appear to be the result of people traveling at high speed & being unable to cope w/ various situations. My story from Tennessee earlier in this thread is a good example of this. There are too many drivers out there that are too aggressive & too incompetent to be driving at high speeds.

I'll agree with that.

Me too. I was just going from the general "the higher the speed the longer the stopping time" train of thought, and that speed limits exist for a reason, but I also agree with everything Mentat said.

Speed limits on the autobahn are handled well. If I recall correctly, it's dynamic based on things like road conditions and traffic. So if you're driving along and the speed drops to 55, you know there's a damn good reason. But if there's no one around for 50 miles no point in not going 150.

I'm too lazy to respond to you guys. Just go ahead and feel as if your completely incorrect way of viewing the world (speed limits specifically) has just been fixed by something I said. And then write me a thank you note.

You're welcome, by the way.

Well, you've certainly lost whatever credibility you had in this thread. But hey, at least you got to sound like an arrogant douche-bag, right? Well done.

I think carpool/HOV lanes shouldn't have speed limits

Oh please, Crimson's last post was obviously all about being an arrogant douche-bag, he was clearly doing that on purpose.
Up till then there was good conversation, interesting back and forth debate where both people had points, and then that post.
There is no pot calling a kettle black here (besides, my kettle is red and my pot is silver)

You told him he's an arrogant douche-bag in a most arrogant, douche-bag way.

I called a kettle a kettle in a matter-of-fact way. Spin it how you please.

You're dense. Have you had your morning coffee?



Back on topic:
In the massive urban sprawl that is southern California, anyone driving 65MPH or lower is either a blue hair, a foreigner, or driving near a CHiPper.

The fact that you only obey the laws when the police are around, AND the fact that you HAVE laws that nobody obeys, are both perfect examples of how NOT to run a government.

I think this jerk's on to something.

Hey thanks.

Also, that was laziness. Sounds kinda like douche-bag when read to yourself over the internet, but different nonetheless. I also never claimed to have any credibility, anyone that thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken. I simply state my opinion. I'm pretty sure I sounded like a douche-bag with my first post in this thread and THAT was intentional. So get your **** straight.

Hugs n Kisses,
Crimson

P.S. My last two posts are what's called "tongue in cheek" I believe. But I forgive the mistake, it's easy enough to make.

You're failing to understand that in many (most) places, the majority of people actually do drive over the speed limit. On most highways the speed limit is simply too low and most people recognize this and drive accordingly. This becomes a problem when you have someone who is driving the speed limit or lower, knows they're in the way of the traffic around them, and refuses to speed up or move out of the way. This isn't usually a problem until you get two of these retards next two each other in the only two lanes available. It's infuriating the be behind someone who will not get out of the way because they're "going the speed limit and you just shouldn't be going that fast". That's not their call and that makes them a dick. Knowingly doing something which you know aggravates others is immature and, in this situation, extremely dangerous. Those are the kinds of situations that set off incidents of road rage and I gotta say, they deserve it just a little bit. That's like that annoying ass kid you went to school with that would put his finger one inch from your face and say "I'm not touching you!".

I'm well aware that the vast majority of people are speeders (I stated this myself in a previous post). However, it's against the law to exceed the speed limit & in doing so one could be (& often is) issued a ticket. I don't think it's logical to invite an encounter w/ law enforcement & I don't want to waste the time & money that's involved in such an ordeal. Contrary to popular belief there are still places in this country where speeding tickets are issued to people that are only going 5-10 over (e.g: Southern Indiana). My decision to adhere to the speed limit doesn't/shouldn't disqualify me from using a passing lane if the person in front of me is going slower. If an individual is unstable enough to allow that to escalate in to anything more than exhalation then the problem is theirs.

I spent several years living in a rural area w/ farms when I was younger & I didn't blow up & act like a child every time a farm tractor was only going 5-10 in a 45-55. I patiently waited until I was either able to pass or they turned. I didn't fly up on them at 55, tailgate them, honk my horn, flash my lights & go around them via the shoulder. Drivers that don't have patience are probably more dangerous than those that adhere to the speed limit.

This concept that you have of people that are traveling at the speed limit being "in your way" isn't rational. Where do you draw the line? 5 over? 10 over? I constantly see people going 15-20 over being tailgated by people behind them that want to go 25 over. You're no more important than that person in front of you & they have just as much of a right to be there as you (especially if they're passing another vehicle). They're not required to exceed the speed limit to "get out of your way".

Dunning-Kruger effect: the story of your life.

What really separates a good driver from a bad driver is patience and focus. I don't mind if someone goes 20 over as long as they are doing so in a safe manner, being aware of their surroundings and slowing down when necessary. These people are rare, unfortunately. What you usually get are ******* that honk and swerve and drive on shoulders to decrease their trip time by 12 seconds.

You know, Emon, you and Boco tend to mention this particular "effect" often, though usually in the wrong manner, and it has been bugging me (only in a minor way). The Dunning-Kruger effect is the apparent false-confidences people tend to have in their hard skills, not in their reasoning or opinions. It's the paradox of unskilled (incompetent) people overestimating their skill, while skilled (competent) people underestimate their skill. It's not a commentary on intelligence or opinion, unless the quantity being measured is intelligence, which is difficult to measure accurately. Further, everyone does it, at different times, and in different ways.

I don't often mention it, it just happens to be linked in my sig.

Also I don't really think that speed limits are too low. Maybe if you do, you should leave a little earlier to get to wherever you're going.

So you don't read then? I said earlier that my post wasn't serious. That should have been pretty obvious I think.


Mentat, I never said that all people who drive the speed limit are in my way. The people I'm talking about, as I've said before, are the people who are both going much slower than everyone else around them AND have no qualms about doing so in the fast lane for great lengths of time. The worst are the people that do this right next to another slower driver and block off the entire road creating a half mile long backup in traffic. I see people do this all the time when they know exactly what they're doing and seem to get a kick out of it.

This x 1000

Yeah I'm really just throwing stones from the side, I don't care too much about this argument.